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Woke
#1
In relation to two threads on Doctor Who and that Jodie Whittaker is leaving.

I've made a comment or two on how the show feels a bit too woke.
Not that I'm against having more representation on TV and in film.

I'm wondering on where the line is, how far can something can go to make a point and have it feel too like it's being shoved into your face, without sounding like Laurence Fox.

With Doctor Who, some of the stories that the show put out felt too in you face. This bad thing happened and you should feel very bad about it.
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#2
I fucking hate the term 'woke' when it's used to criticise something

'Woke' means being aware, understanding how what you say and the manner in which you behave can impact on others and so taking care to show respect to people rather than trampling over them. The problem with Dr Who - for example - isn't that it's 'woke', it's that it tackles issues so clumsily and at expense of things like story-line and characterisation.

And, for shits and giggles, here's the 45th President of the USA's latest take on 'woke',

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Personally I hope being 'woke' - the characteristics rather than the term itself - is here to stay.
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#3
Thank god you said it, Ollie. I saw the topic title and my head sank through my palms into the core of the earth.
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(05-08-2021, 05:28 PM)Hugh Wrote: In relation to two threads on Doctor Who and that Jodie Whittaker is leaving.

I've made a comment or two on how the show feels a bit too woke.
Not that I'm against having more representation on TV and in film.

I'm wondering on where the line is, how far can something can go to make a point and have it feel too like it's being shoved into your face, without sounding like Laurence Fox.

With Doctor Who, some of the stories that the show put out felt too in you face. This bad thing happened and you should feel very bad about it.

I think it's more that it's preachy (very, very preachy) that you have an issue with.
I might be wrong but that's what it sounds like.

It's definitely one of the issues I have with it.

It's not inherently that having a non-white, non-male doctor makes it bad or that it attempts to tackle social issues (the green death was having a go at industrial pollution back in the early 70s as an example), it's that it does it badly. You possibly want to call it "woke" because it doesn't entertain enough but other people will want to call it "woke" simply for trying to do these things at all.
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#5
It is that, the preachyness. That's what Dr Who feels like, or has become more like.
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(05-08-2021, 06:42 PM)Ollie2UK Wrote: And, for shits and giggles, here's the 45th President of the USA's latest take on 'woke',

He's also devalued the word "Patriot".  It doesn't mean anything anymore.
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#7
I think, and I know I could be wrong, that the thing people are calling "preachiness" about Dr. Who is that Dr. Who is being made for a different market than the UK now. Those "preachy" episodes are still very necessary in places like the US, unfortunately, and I think the US is now the main market that the show is written for, even with it being written and made by British people and set in the UK.
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#8
Doctor Who isn't being made for people in the US, its made for people on Tumblr and twitter aka the loonies.
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