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Doctor Who - Bye Bye Jodie !!!
And welcome back Russel T Davis
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BREAKING: Jodie Whittaker and Chris Chibnall to leave Doctor Who in a trio of Specials, culminating in an epic blockbuster Special to air in autumn 2022 as part of the BBC’s Centenary celebrations.

https://www.doctorwho.tv/news/?article=j...Btmnxl1yXo
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Yay.

Don't slam the door on the way out.
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Hopefully we will be getting less wokeness, not that having more inclusiveness is a bad thing.
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#4
I wouldn't bet on it.


On the other hand, this is the last chance to save the show I think. I read that the ratings were down to just over 3 million at the end of the last series. For what was, not long ago, the BBCs flagship show.

If they don't win back the traditional fans, its toast.
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Hopefully there's going to be a bit of a reset of sorts.
Where they show goes back to the Matt Smith days, or at least before the shittyness of Peter's time
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Never been a fan of Chibnall as writer or showrunner - his stuff for Torchwood and Camelot was just rotten. TBF Broadchurch was huge though, not that I saw it.
Honestly new Who has been going on for over fifteen years, these days its a tired old show that they keep flogging instead of “resting” it.
They really should take some time out to really think again what they want to do with it, even if that means giving it a very long break.
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My bet is that Pete McTighe will be the new show runner. Sadly, The next doctor will also have to be female. There would be too much outrage if it went back to a man.
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(05-08-2021, 10:02 AM)GS Maniac Wrote: Sadly, The next doctor will also have to be female. There would be too much outrage if it went back to a man.

Why sadly? 

I don't think that that's true about the outrage. Like in any way. The outrage is usually from the right wing freedom of speech types who think everything is too woke these days. (Whether they agree on what woke means is another matter, for some a female actor playing the role is enough to make it woke (that's be the same people who then become bizarrely feminist when it comes to trans rights)). But these type of people need to have their world shook up as much now as they as have in the past.

My worry would be if it went back to a male actor it'd be a concession of failure, which the Chibnall - Whitaker era could be classed as (it wasn't the best, though there have definitely been worse!) So I would prefer it to be female for the next regeneration, proving that it can work with a better showrunner. 

Sometimes us progressives have to stand our ground until the world catches up. And it does. On occasion we just have to outlive the backwards old dinosaurs first. 

Though honestly who knows what mess of continuity Chinall is going to leave behind him.
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I wouldn't have a problem with another woman playing the Doctor - I don't really care if the character is male or female, as long as they get the casting right! From the very little I saw, Whitaker wasn't right (at least to start with), but the show running seems to have been the major problem.

I remember moaning on the old FMF about the RTD era, but it seems like a golden age now! Moffat writing one episode a year didn't overstretch him and there was at least some kind of coherence, which it felt get lost during Moffat's era. Matt Smith & Peter Capaldi were two of the best Doctors, but they both suffered from duff scripts (especially Capaldi). Basically, having a smart show runner is almost more important than who plays the Doctor.
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I’m gay, liberal and democratic and I thought it was very woke of them to have a female. And it’s clearly not worked as it’s at an all time low viewership.
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I really can't stand the term "woke". It's just a catch-all word to describe something a person is not comfortable with.
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(05-08-2021, 12:53 PM)Kev Wrote: I really can't stand the term "woke". It's just a catch-all word to describe something a person is not comfortable with.

Completely agree.
And I honestly think it's insane for anyone on this forum to be throwing it around given the level of progressiveness needed for gay rights. In the old RTD days of Doctor Who the homophobes raged against the "gay agenda", these days that'd just be called "too woke". 

I was reading about the He-man reboot (a show which ended with a moral every week and never showed He-man hitting anything that wasn't a robot and was literally made to shift plastic dolls) is under fire for being too woke and the writer a sell out because Teela stepped forward for a few episodes while He-man was (won't spoil it). Sometimes grown men, who can't share, deserve to have their plastic dolls confiscated. 

Doctor Who does have a lot of failings at the minute, poor monsters, scripting, storylines, characters, awful CGI, not dramatic enough, completely re-writing it's own history without having "earnt" the right to do so.  To call it woke is lazy criticism and allows people to believe that they're arguing the same point. They're not.  Some people think casting a female was too woke. For some people it's the issues it tries to tackle every episode (that really wasn't fun!) I genuinely believe it can do issues (it has in the past) and it can have a female lead, these things don't automatically make it a failure, they just have to do it better.
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Capaldi could and should have been an absolutely great Doctor.
Destroyed by atrocious storylines and scripts.

I think it will be a male non-white Doctor.
Which saddens me in a way... not because I've anything against a non-white actor playing the role, I certainly haven't... but I fear that race will be the primary reason they are picked for the role.

Just like Whittaker.
Whereas they could have cast a great female lead actor... in the end it smacked of "we need a woman... oh Chibnalls worked with her before. She'll do."
And she was crap.
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(05-08-2021, 04:47 PM)ladsnet Wrote: Capaldi could and should have been an absolutely great Doctor.
Destroyed by atrocious storylines and scripts.

I think it will be a male non-white Doctor.
Which saddens me in a way... not because I've anything against a non-white actor playing the role, I certainly haven't... but I fear that race will be the primary reason they are picked for the role.

Just like Whittaker.
Whereas they could have cast a great female lead actor... in the end it smacked of "we need a woman... oh Chibnalls worked with her before. She'll do."
And she was crap.

I mostly agree. Though like Capaldi I think Whittaker could've worked better with a better showrunner. Maybe trying to emulate Tennant less and forge her own path.

It's not like the Doctor has ever been a particularly physical hero, it's mostly problem solving followed by rewiring.
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Poll today has Michael Sheen as the actor most people would like to take over the role.

Have to agree.. as long as they get good writing too.

Can't see it though.
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Michael Sheen could definitely use the role, and he's pretty good at playing weirdos.
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(09-08-2021, 02:48 PM)ladsnet Wrote: Poll today has Michael Sheen as the actor most people would like to take over the role.


Are they now only considering people David Tennant has co-starred with???
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LOL

Which reminds me.. in the lockdown drama they did together, Sheen hinted very strongly that he was offered Doctor Who last time it came up and was all ready to sign up when "they decided to take it in a different direction".. and he wasn't best pleased.
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(05-08-2021, 04:47 PM)ladsnet Wrote: Capaldi could and should have been an absolutely great Doctor.
Destroyed by atrocious storylines and scripts.

I think it will be a male non-white Doctor.
Which saddens me in a way... not because I've anything against a non-white actor playing the role, I certainly haven't... but I fear that race will be the primary reason they are picked for the role.

Just like Whittaker.
Whereas they could have cast a great female lead actor... in the end it smacked of "we need a woman... oh Chibnalls worked with her before. She'll do."
And she was crap.

I could have written that myself, in every respect I agree 100%. Perhaps if JW hadn't thought she was in Emmerdale / Last of the Summer Wine, and adopted a neutral accent, like Tennant......
The irony is, DW had a female producer (the only one at the BBC) and a gay Asian director, back in November '63. Enough to make the gammons of 2021 and the Daily Mail livid with anti PC self righteousness.
The show had nothing to prove. Classic Who tackled serious issues like how far medical science can go (Cybermen) and race hate (Daleks vs literally every other species). When it went full on Chibnall, as in the Two Doctors, with its militant veggie rant, the result was some of the worst "stories" in the ship's history.......
For transparency, I wanted Hayley Atwell to replace Capaldi, who was a fan of my own vintage, and a great Doctor, let down by poor scripts from a tired and over stretched Moffat
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New showrunner is.......


Russell T. Davies !!!!!!
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