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Biden makes LGBTQ community mass shooting site a national memorial
honouring the Pulse victims
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On the fifth anniversary of a mass shooting at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida, President Joe Biden said that he will sign a bill naming the site as a national memorial.
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I don't know what to think about this. Part of me wants to forget the whole thing and another wants it to be remembered.
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It's nice to have a head of state treat us like full people. I only wish they would do it before it's safe for them politically instead of after.
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Frankly it’s far more sickening to me that America still won’t address the problem of its hundreds of millions of handguns and assault rifles. The daily mass murders victimize everyone, not just LGBTQ+
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Never have never will. It's one on a list including our repeated war crimes, genocides, and plutocracy.
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(15-06-2021, 03:50 PM)jdcyl Wrote: Frankly it’s far more  sickening to me that America still won’t address the problem of its hundreds of millions of handguns and assault rifles.  The daily mass murders victimize everyone, not just LGBTQ+

$$$ > Lives  Wink
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There has never been a way to deprogram all the gun fetishist nuts who think being armed to the teeth 24 hours a day without limits is not only acceptable, but something to be glorified.  It only got worse after the SCOTUS in the 70s ruled that the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution applied to private citizens instead of just its literal wording.  Short of a repeal of that amendment, which is purposely almost impossible the way the rules were written by the Founders, a massive comprehensive shift in thinking, or somehow all those same gun fetishist nuts die all at once, not much will change in the US as a whole.  They are stuck on the idea that "I shouldn't have to give up X for anyone just because some people abuse/misuse X".  There's an old quote a number of the slightly more educated ones use to defend themselves.  One of the US Founders said once, "Those who are willing to give up even a little liberty for a little safety deserve neither".  I'm mostly paraphrasing there, but these people love that idea because it gives them what they feel is an unquestionable authority to do as they please.
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I’m thinking some soft pressure needs to be applied to the US from abroad. Take an example: judicial executions. Lethal injection executions have largely been suspended because many nations now embargo chemical sales of components to the US, because they know what it’s going to end up being used for there.

Assuming the US also does not manufacture all types of ammunition for assault weapons and so on, I would argue you could create embargoes to limit the sale of types of ammunition to the US.

A semi-automatic weapon can only shoot as long as it has enough rounds to do so. Hell, it won’t even fire at all if you have the wrong size ammunition, and so on.

People are bound to pick up the logical flaws in the argument, but the original point still stands. Lethal injections are becoming difficult to provide due to a shortage of chemicals. So embargoes must work.

All you have to do after that is continue policing the border.

Another important point: Congress has passed legislation before to amend the number of justices of the Supreme Court. By timing it correctly, some of the ultra-conservative members could be retired.
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if they cared so much - they would BAN weapons... period..
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That's not a bad idea, Jumbler, except the US also supplies weapons to other nations at times and makes them right in the US in a number of cases, as far as I know.  I found out on Google that there's actually an ammunition shortage in the US.  The reasoning you find as to why depends on how insane you want to believe someone's words to be now.  The largest ammunition manufacturers are in the US, though.  I can't find a list of what ammunition forms and varieties are made in the US though, for some reason.  I assume that if Europe and the other first world nations tried to do what you suggest, that the US would simply start making them itself.  As for SCOTUS number legislation, that is going to be impossible for the foreseeable future unless the Democrats get a large majority in both Houses of Congress in 2022.  I do know that bullets are made by companies, both private and public, along with military ammunition plants, so I am not quite sure if, unlike the chemicals, there is a good way to embargo ammunition that would have an effect unless even the third world nations joined the embargo and the US finally ran out of the metal and other ingredients.

(18-06-2021, 09:43 AM)loverboy260 Wrote: if they cared so much - they would BAN weapons... period..

Unfortunately, that is not going to happen short of a repeal of the 2nd Amendment to the American Constitution, which is something that is purposely almost impossible like amending the Constitution.  There might, someday, be enough of a groundswell to do something about America's gun problem, but right now, there's not enough of a political will along with the law behind the personal ownership of arms.  Too many people believe they have an unquestionable right to be armed to the teeth 24/7 in the US for "protection" as a reason.  There's nothing on the horizon to change this because there's no way to deprogram gun fetishists or scare American politicians into doing anything.  American politicians are no longer afraid of their constituents and they make money off of everything they do on the right wing.
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