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Monster Munch
#41
(13-06-2021, 04:17 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Goddammit JCarter's right in this one, you fools. Love Cadbury eggs and the mystery goo they hold.

Have you read the ingredient panel?  What's in it?  Anything evil or all good?

(10-06-2021, 04:14 PM)jdcyl Wrote: In terms of purity standards, Belgian and Swiss > other EU > UK and Canada > US.

On second thought.

Been to Canada many times, all over the country.  The food there is nothing to look forward to and I would not rate Canada > US unless, of course, you venture to the French sector of Montreal.  You can find pretty good basic level restaurants there.  As I recall, Quebec City is pretty good too.  (Otherwise haven't been around Quebec too much)

(Awaits flaming from EthanE Spank LOL )
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#42
(13-06-2021, 01:53 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(13-06-2021, 04:17 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Goddammit JCarter's right in this one, you fools. Love Cadbury eggs and the mystery goo they hold.

Have you read the ingredient panel?  What's in it?  Anything evil or all good?

I sell my leftist soul regularly for sweets, so no, never read. I merely enjoy giving you East Coast elites shit. Tongue

No chocolate anywhere is ethical because all cocoa is harvested in one place by hideously underpaid laborers in Latin America. It's mind-boggling how it even got to Europe in the first place.
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#43
(13-06-2021, 02:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I merely enjoy giving you East Coast elites shit. Tongue

LOL Tongue

(13-06-2021, 02:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote: No chocolate anywhere is ethical because all cocoa is harvested in one place by hideously underpaid laborers in Latin America. It's mind-boggling how it even got to Europe in the first place.

Europeans were nasty colonialists. Disgusted
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#44
(13-06-2021, 01:53 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(13-06-2021, 04:17 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Goddammit JCarter's right in this one, you fools. Love Cadbury eggs and the mystery goo they hold.

Have you read the ingredient panel?  What's in it?  Anything evil or all good?

(10-06-2021, 04:14 PM)jdcyl Wrote: In terms of purity standards, Belgian and Swiss > other EU > UK and Canada > US.

On second thought.

Been to Canada many times, all over the country.  The food there is nothing to look forward to and I would not rate Canada > US unless, of course, you venture to the French sector of Montreal.  You can find pretty good basic level restaurants there.  As I recall, Quebec City is pretty good too.  (Otherwise haven't been around Quebec too much)

(Awaits flaming from EthanE Spank LOL )

Well, I thought it was clear enough that my ranking was specifically about regulations governing the manufacture of chocolate, but apparently not.  Feel free to extrapolate that to meals you’ve had in random places, if that somehow makes sense in your way of thinking.  

??!?

Seriously, though, despite the fact I never intended to rate the quality of food in general with that ranking, look at obesity rates in the US vs Canada for an indication of what horrors US food industries are allowed to get away with.

(13-06-2021, 02:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(13-06-2021, 01:53 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(13-06-2021, 04:17 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Goddammit JCarter's right in this one, you fools. Love Cadbury eggs and the mystery goo they hold.

Have you read the ingredient panel?  What's in it?  Anything evil or all good?

I sell my leftist soul regularly for sweets, so no, never read. I merely enjoy giving you East Coast elites shit. Tongue

No chocolate anywhere is ethical because all cocoa is harvested in one place by hideously underpaid laborers in Latin America. It's mind-boggling how it even got to Europe in the first place.

I am sure I’ve had chocolate from Madagascar, Sumatra, etc
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(13-06-2021, 02:53 PM)jdcyl Wrote: Well, I thought it was clear enough that my ranking was specifically about regulations governing the manufacture of chocolate, but apparently not.  Feel free to extrapolate that to meals you’ve had in random places, if that somehow makes sense in your way of thinking.  

??!?

Bow

(Don't go on the warpath though)

(13-06-2021, 02:53 PM)jdcyl Wrote: Seriously, though, despite the fact I never intended to rate the quality of food in general with that ranking, look at obesity rates in the US vs Canada for an indication of what horrors US food industries are allowed to get away with.

I don't know what the obesity rate is in Canada, but I'll take your word for it.  (In the U.S. obesity is worst in Louisiana)
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#46
(13-06-2021, 02:53 PM)jdcyl Wrote: I am sure I’ve had chocolate from Madagascar, Sumatra, etc

You're right; I was thinking of the history of chocolate and not current production. I still betcha the people who harvest the pure cacao are paid shit wages and exploited. But I will use this knowledge to feel slightly less guilty when I eat a Cadbury egg. So many more for me now that Mary Sunshine has gone off them.

Are we really fatter than the country that gave us poutine? Lordy, do we have a problem.
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#47
(13-06-2021, 09:17 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I still betcha the people who harvest the pure cacao are paid shit wages and exploited. But I will use this knowledge to feel slightly less guilty when I eat a Cadbury egg.

If you go off chocolate then you might well contribute to those exploited harvest workers being put out of work altogether.  So enjoy your Cadbury egg. Big Grin

(13-06-2021, 09:17 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Are we really fatter than the country that gave us poutine? Lordy, do we have a problem.

Like in the U.S. it probably varies by province. (Which province does poutine come from? Sounds French. Quebec?)
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#48
It is indeed Quebecois but all of Canada puts gravy on fries. I'm not even trying to doubt America is morbidly obese (we are). I just can't believe Canada isn't, too. They only have two months of summer for God's sake!

Then again, the richest food is of French extraction but they don't have an obesity epidemic like we do. Maybe they smoke more.
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#49
US CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databr...tm#prevale

Statistics Canada: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-6...33-eng.htm

It’s like you two have never heard of Google.
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#50
We're just waiting for you to put us in our place, darling. Also Parsi and I prefer bloviating.
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#51
(13-06-2021, 10:46 PM)jdcyl Wrote: US CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databr...tm#prevale

Total Canada: 24.1%
2007-2009 (a bit old for the U.S. at least - Google couldn't find better?)
Ages 20 to 79

(13-06-2021, 10:46 PM)jdcyl Wrote: Statistics Canada: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-6...33-eng.htm

Overall Canadian Results: 27%
2016 and 2017 (stable 2007 to 2017)
Canadian adults

Which one do we believe?
Do you even read the statistics that you post?
A bit flighty. Wink

If I posted those numbers in a presentation today I'd get thrown out on my ass.
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#52
I posted the CDC link, because it includes further analyses: comparison between non-Hispanic whites in Canada vs US; effect of minority groups in both countries (African-Americans and Hispanics in the US have higher obesity rates than whites, whereas East Asians in Canada have lower rates than whites). It’s not as simple as a straight apples to apples comparison.

(Did YOU read what was in there?)
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#53
(Yesterday, 12:05 AM)jdcyl Wrote: I posted the CDC link, because it includes further analyses: comparison between non-Hispanic whites in Canada vs US; effect of minority groups in both countries (African-Americans and Hispanics in the US have higher obesity rates than whites, whereas East Asians in Canada have lower rates than whites).

I already knew much of that (wrt the U.S.), but responded to the high-level charts (from 2007 to 2009) in response to your comment: "look at obesity rates in the US vs Canada for an indication of what horrors US food industries are allowed to get away with."

(Yesterday, 12:05 AM)jdcyl Wrote: It’s not as simple as a straight apples to apples comparison.

That's what I was pointing out. Wink

(Yesterday, 12:05 AM)jdcyl Wrote: (Did YOU read what was in there?)

I think it's obvious that I did. Wink

(13-06-2021, 10:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote: all of Canada puts gravy on fries.

That's disgusting.  Disgusted

(13-06-2021, 10:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Then again, the richest food is of French extraction but they don't have an obesity epidemic like we do. Maybe they smoke more.

When I was in Paris and noticed that (almost) everyone at the swimming pool was slim in their speedos I asked my hosts what goes when French food is so rich.  I was told that they eat smaller portions.  (I guess no all-you-can-eat buffets in France?)  Also, having grown up in Europe in my teens, (back then KK ) people didn't eat between meals.

When I was traveling in Japan I learned that there was a crisis among teenagers: acne which didn't exist in Japan before the American diet arrived on the scene.

(13-06-2021, 10:54 PM)Heinrich Wrote: We're just waiting for you to put us in our place, darling. Also Parsi and I prefer bloviating.

Speak for yourself Heinrich.  I only admit to being lazy.

(13-06-2021, 10:46 PM)jdcyl Wrote: Statistics Canada: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-6...33-eng.htm

The Atlantic provinces aside, what's going on with Saskatchewan?  It stands out like a sore thumb among the nearby provinces.
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#54
Gravy on potatoes is normal and good, actually. If the potatoes are fries, they do not cease being potatoes. Mayo's good on fries, too.

As is obvious I am part of the problem. German-Scandinavian food is like French food without the greens and only pork and veal.

As for your point about cutting off chocolate costing jobs: that's something Jeff Bezos would say from his city-yacht while slashing wages, benefits, and jobs and lighting a cigar with a dodo feather.
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#55
Basically, the US has the obesity problem it has because, like many other things, politicians are paid and lobbied to never make any restrictions on anything that would help the poor do any better in any way and call it "freedom", which every other first world nation would know is actually a form of anarchy in reality. Too many Americans go absolutely bat crap crazy when you talk about restrictions by the "evil government". If we had modern more strict food standards, it would require the government to step in to set price controls to lower food costs for the poor in some way because, as it is now, you really have to spend insane amounts of money to eat completely healthy very often, if at all. It might have an unintended side effect for the good though. Meat, especially read meat, is becoming stupidly expensive and it just might have all but the most hardcore backward bigoted right wing American become at least a partial vegetarian a few days a week. America always "must" do everything the most difficult way possible because the wealthy right wing people won't let it be any other way. That's what it come down to and it's not likely to change, as I have said before, short of half the US population dying one fell swoop somehow.
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#56
Good to see you, comrade. I agree. It is cheaper to eat shit because quality allows food chains to be cheaper than decent groceries. There's also been an erosion of time and energy to cook at home. We're worked to the bone. I cook for a living and do not cook for myself because I just don't have the desire.

To echo a Parsi refrain, there is a legitimate part of the lack of a family unit household in this obesity problem. Wages stagnated after the 50s so women had to start working to support the family, which meant no one at home to do the prep work (and house management and labor). I don't agree that there should be enforced gender roles (plenty of men love to cook and nurture and can do so), but it's now harder for anybody raising children to make meals from scratch.
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