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Monster Munch
#41
(13-06-2021, 04:17 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Goddammit JCarter's right in this one, you fools. Love Cadbury eggs and the mystery goo they hold.

Have you read the ingredient panel?  What's in it?  Anything evil or all good?

(10-06-2021, 04:14 PM)jdcyl Wrote: In terms of purity standards, Belgian and Swiss > other EU > UK and Canada > US.

On second thought.

Been to Canada many times, all over the country.  The food there is nothing to look forward to and I would not rate Canada > US unless, of course, you venture to the French sector of Montreal.  You can find pretty good basic level restaurants there.  As I recall, Quebec City is pretty good too.  (Otherwise haven't been around Quebec too much)

(Awaits flaming from EthanE Spank LOL )
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#42
(13-06-2021, 01:53 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(13-06-2021, 04:17 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Goddammit JCarter's right in this one, you fools. Love Cadbury eggs and the mystery goo they hold.

Have you read the ingredient panel?  What's in it?  Anything evil or all good?

I sell my leftist soul regularly for sweets, so no, never read. I merely enjoy giving you East Coast elites shit. Tongue

No chocolate anywhere is ethical because all cocoa is harvested in one place by hideously underpaid laborers in Latin America. It's mind-boggling how it even got to Europe in the first place.
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#43
(13-06-2021, 02:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I merely enjoy giving you East Coast elites shit. Tongue

LOL Tongue

(13-06-2021, 02:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote: No chocolate anywhere is ethical because all cocoa is harvested in one place by hideously underpaid laborers in Latin America. It's mind-boggling how it even got to Europe in the first place.

Europeans were nasty colonialists. Disgusted
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#44
(13-06-2021, 01:53 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(13-06-2021, 04:17 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Goddammit JCarter's right in this one, you fools. Love Cadbury eggs and the mystery goo they hold.

Have you read the ingredient panel?  What's in it?  Anything evil or all good?

(10-06-2021, 04:14 PM)jdcyl Wrote: In terms of purity standards, Belgian and Swiss > other EU > UK and Canada > US.

On second thought.

Been to Canada many times, all over the country.  The food there is nothing to look forward to and I would not rate Canada > US unless, of course, you venture to the French sector of Montreal.  You can find pretty good basic level restaurants there.  As I recall, Quebec City is pretty good too.  (Otherwise haven't been around Quebec too much)

(Awaits flaming from EthanE Spank LOL )

Well, I thought it was clear enough that my ranking was specifically about regulations governing the manufacture of chocolate, but apparently not.  Feel free to extrapolate that to meals you’ve had in random places, if that somehow makes sense in your way of thinking.  

??!?

Seriously, though, despite the fact I never intended to rate the quality of food in general with that ranking, look at obesity rates in the US vs Canada for an indication of what horrors US food industries are allowed to get away with.

(13-06-2021, 02:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(13-06-2021, 01:53 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(13-06-2021, 04:17 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Goddammit JCarter's right in this one, you fools. Love Cadbury eggs and the mystery goo they hold.

Have you read the ingredient panel?  What's in it?  Anything evil or all good?

I sell my leftist soul regularly for sweets, so no, never read. I merely enjoy giving you East Coast elites shit. Tongue

No chocolate anywhere is ethical because all cocoa is harvested in one place by hideously underpaid laborers in Latin America. It's mind-boggling how it even got to Europe in the first place.

I am sure I’ve had chocolate from Madagascar, Sumatra, etc
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#45
(13-06-2021, 02:53 PM)jdcyl Wrote: Well, I thought it was clear enough that my ranking was specifically about regulations governing the manufacture of chocolate, but apparently not.  Feel free to extrapolate that to meals you’ve had in random places, if that somehow makes sense in your way of thinking.  

??!?

Bow

(Don't go on the warpath though)

(13-06-2021, 02:53 PM)jdcyl Wrote: Seriously, though, despite the fact I never intended to rate the quality of food in general with that ranking, look at obesity rates in the US vs Canada for an indication of what horrors US food industries are allowed to get away with.

I don't know what the obesity rate is in Canada, but I'll take your word for it.  (In the U.S. obesity is worst in Louisiana)
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#46
(13-06-2021, 02:53 PM)jdcyl Wrote: I am sure I’ve had chocolate from Madagascar, Sumatra, etc

You're right; I was thinking of the history of chocolate and not current production. I still betcha the people who harvest the pure cacao are paid shit wages and exploited. But I will use this knowledge to feel slightly less guilty when I eat a Cadbury egg. So many more for me now that Mary Sunshine has gone off them.

Are we really fatter than the country that gave us poutine? Lordy, do we have a problem.
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#47
(13-06-2021, 09:17 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I still betcha the people who harvest the pure cacao are paid shit wages and exploited. But I will use this knowledge to feel slightly less guilty when I eat a Cadbury egg.

If you go off chocolate then you might well contribute to those exploited harvest workers being put out of work altogether.  So enjoy your Cadbury egg. Big Grin

(13-06-2021, 09:17 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Are we really fatter than the country that gave us poutine? Lordy, do we have a problem.

Like in the U.S. it probably varies by province. (Which province does poutine come from? Sounds French. Quebec?)
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#48
It is indeed Quebecois but all of Canada puts gravy on fries. I'm not even trying to doubt America is morbidly obese (we are). I just can't believe Canada isn't, too. They only have two months of summer for God's sake!

Then again, the richest food is of French extraction but they don't have an obesity epidemic like we do. Maybe they smoke more.
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#49
US CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databr...tm#prevale

Statistics Canada: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-6...33-eng.htm

It’s like you two have never heard of Google.
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#50
We're just waiting for you to put us in our place, darling. Also Parsi and I prefer bloviating.
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#51
(13-06-2021, 10:46 PM)jdcyl Wrote: US CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databr...tm#prevale

Total Canada: 24.1%
2007-2009 (a bit old for the U.S. at least - Google couldn't find better?)
Ages 20 to 79

(13-06-2021, 10:46 PM)jdcyl Wrote: Statistics Canada: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-6...33-eng.htm

Overall Canadian Results: 27%
2016 and 2017 (stable 2007 to 2017)
Canadian adults

Which one do we believe?
Do you even read the statistics that you post?
A bit flighty. Wink

If I posted those numbers in a presentation today I'd get thrown out on my ass.
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#52
I posted the CDC link, because it includes further analyses: comparison between non-Hispanic whites in Canada vs US; effect of minority groups in both countries (African-Americans and Hispanics in the US have higher obesity rates than whites, whereas East Asians in Canada have lower rates than whites). It’s not as simple as a straight apples to apples comparison.

(Did YOU read what was in there?)
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#53
(14-06-2021, 12:05 AM)jdcyl Wrote: I posted the CDC link, because it includes further analyses: comparison between non-Hispanic whites in Canada vs US; effect of minority groups in both countries (African-Americans and Hispanics in the US have higher obesity rates than whites, whereas East Asians in Canada have lower rates than whites).

I already knew much of that (wrt the U.S.), but responded to the high-level charts (from 2007 to 2009) in response to your comment: "look at obesity rates in the US vs Canada for an indication of what horrors US food industries are allowed to get away with."

(14-06-2021, 12:05 AM)jdcyl Wrote: It’s not as simple as a straight apples to apples comparison.

That's what I was pointing out. Wink

(14-06-2021, 12:05 AM)jdcyl Wrote: (Did YOU read what was in there?)

I think it's obvious that I did. Wink

(13-06-2021, 10:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote: all of Canada puts gravy on fries.

That's disgusting.  Disgusted

(13-06-2021, 10:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Then again, the richest food is of French extraction but they don't have an obesity epidemic like we do. Maybe they smoke more.

When I was in Paris and noticed that (almost) everyone at the swimming pool was slim in their speedos I asked my hosts what goes when French food is so rich.  I was told that they eat smaller portions.  (I guess no all-you-can-eat buffets in France?)  Also, having grown up in Europe in my teens, (back then KK ) people didn't eat between meals.

When I was traveling in Japan I learned that there was a crisis among teenagers: acne which didn't exist in Japan before the American diet arrived on the scene.

(13-06-2021, 10:54 PM)Heinrich Wrote: We're just waiting for you to put us in our place, darling. Also Parsi and I prefer bloviating.

Speak for yourself Heinrich.  I only admit to being lazy.

(13-06-2021, 10:46 PM)jdcyl Wrote: Statistics Canada: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-6...33-eng.htm

The Atlantic provinces aside, what's going on with Saskatchewan?  It stands out like a sore thumb among the nearby provinces.
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#54
Gravy on potatoes is normal and good, actually. If the potatoes are fries, they do not cease being potatoes. Mayo's good on fries, too.

As is obvious I am part of the problem. German-Scandinavian food is like French food without the greens and only pork and veal.

As for your point about cutting off chocolate costing jobs: that's something Jeff Bezos would say from his city-yacht while slashing wages, benefits, and jobs and lighting a cigar with a dodo feather.
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#55
Basically, the US has the obesity problem it has because, like many other things, politicians are paid and lobbied to never make any restrictions on anything that would help the poor do any better in any way and call it "freedom", which every other first world nation would know is actually a form of anarchy in reality. Too many Americans go absolutely bat crap crazy when you talk about restrictions by the "evil government". If we had modern more strict food standards, it would require the government to step in to set price controls to lower food costs for the poor in some way because, as it is now, you really have to spend insane amounts of money to eat completely healthy very often, if at all. It might have an unintended side effect for the good though. Meat, especially read meat, is becoming stupidly expensive and it just might have all but the most hardcore backward bigoted right wing American become at least a partial vegetarian a few days a week. America always "must" do everything the most difficult way possible because the wealthy right wing people won't let it be any other way. That's what it come down to and it's not likely to change, as I have said before, short of half the US population dying one fell swoop somehow.
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#56
Good to see you, comrade. I agree. It is cheaper to eat shit because quality allows food chains to be cheaper than decent groceries. There's also been an erosion of time and energy to cook at home. We're worked to the bone. I cook for a living and do not cook for myself because I just don't have the desire.

To echo a Parsi refrain, there is a legitimate part of the lack of a family unit household in this obesity problem. Wages stagnated after the 50s so women had to start working to support the family, which meant no one at home to do the prep work (and house management and labor). I don't agree that there should be enforced gender roles (plenty of men love to cook and nurture and can do so), but it's now harder for anybody raising children to make meals from scratch.
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#57
(15-06-2021, 03:45 AM)Jwb52z Wrote: Basically, the US has the obesity problem it has because, like many other things, politicians are paid and lobbied to never make any restrictions on anything that would help the poor do any better in any way and call it "freedom"

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(15-06-2021, 03:45 AM)Jwb52z Wrote: If we had modern more strict food standards, it would require the government to step in to set price controls to lower food costs for the poor in some way because, as it is now, you really have to spend insane amounts of money to eat completely healthy very often, if at all.

You have that backwards.  Rather than price controls there should be higher wages (which would feed inflation, but oh well).  Today's federal minimum wage, adjusted for inflation, is considerably below what it was, say, 50 years ago.

The Nixon administration tried price controls for a while and it didn't go well.  (Natural economic law doesn't like them.)

(15-06-2021, 03:45 AM)Jwb52z Wrote: America always "must" do everything the most difficult way possible because the wealthy right wing people won't let it be any other way.  That's what it come down to and it's not likely to change, as I have said before, short of half the US population dying one fell swoop somehow.

In yesterday's New York Times the journalist Ezra Klein ( Fancy check him out on YouTube) had a brilliant op-ed article about how "those in the economy with the power to do the dictating profit from the desperation of low-wage workers."

"This is the conversation about poverty that we don't like to have: We discuss the poor as a pity or a blight, but we rarely admit that America's high rate of poverty is a policy choice, and there are reasons why we choose it over and over again."

In other words, poverty in the U.S. is systemic and those who have the power to eliminate it choose not to.

(15-06-2021, 03:58 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Good to see you, comrade. I agree. It is cheaper to eat shit because quality allows food chains to be cheaper than decent groceries. There's also been an erosion of time and energy to cook at home. We're worked to the bone.

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(15-06-2021, 03:58 AM)Heinrich Wrote: To echo a Parsi refrain, there is a legitimate part of the lack of a family unit household in this obesity problem. Wages stagnated after the 50s so women had to start working to support the family, which meant no one at home to do the prep work (and house management and labor).

You've got that backwards Heinrich.  Two things to remember: wages go to the least that you're willing to accept and prices go to the most that you're willing to pay.

When women began to enter the workforce in large numbers beginning in the 1970s the forces of supply and demand forced wages lower (new jobs didn't increase in tandem with the number of new entries into the work force).  Also, the least that a two-income family was willing to accept was not double what a one-income family was willing to accept.  A double pressure downward on the level of wages.

(15-06-2021, 03:58 AM)Heinrich Wrote: I don't agree that there should be enforced gender roles (plenty of men love to cook and nurture and can do so), but it's now harder for anybody raising children to make meals from scratch.

You'll be surprised Heinrich, but I agree with you about enforced gender roles (shock! shock!).  But that goes both ways.  Rather, we are happiest when we follow our true natures.  Stop fitting square pegs into round holes.

Gender roles (at home and at work) is not a black and white matter, the matter can be quite fluid.  There have been plenty of brilliant women scientists (from which we benefit today) and plenty of men who love working as nurses, say.  But if every man and woman were free to choose a vocation in life free from influence (social, family, trend of the day, ...) then it is absurd to think that every occupation will be distributed 50:50. Loon  I roll my eyes when people wring their hands about not enough women in a certain occupation. Rolleyes  (A lot of people hate their jobs, men and women.  Just follow what you love.)
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#58
Quote:As for your point about cutting off chocolate costing jobs: that's something Jeff Bezos would say from his city-yacht while slashing wages, benefits, and jobs and lighting a cigar with a dodo feather.

Bwah!! I just pictured that in my head.
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#59
Parsi, I think we're on the same page. I'm glad you clarified your stance on the family unit, and I fully agree people should do what they want. There ARE some factors that keep women underrepresented in some professions, but I also don't agree that simply shoving women everywhere with no regard for their desires is the answer. I've seen that in political discussions where people say women would be so much nicer to each other at the debates and so on. Did anybody actually listen to Warren, Klobuchar, and Gabbard cut each others' throats? Or observe Hillary and Merkel the last twenty years?

There are areas where women don't pursue careers because of boys club attitudes, gatekeeping, assault, harassment, and being treated as idiots. NOT ALL WOMEN AND NOT ALL MEN DO THIS, but it's a factor.

Anyway, yeah America blows. Empire in decline and all that.
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#60
Time to get back to food quality (or lack thereof).  Yes?
I don't want to get a warning for going off topic.  Spank
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