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England players booed
...for taking the knee
#61
So the people booing the England footballers were doing it because they didn't like their character ?
How odd.
I don't like the character of Marcus Rashford. I'll boo him. But only when he's kneeling down ?




Separate but related issue.
We seem to have entered an era where its not acceptable to call a racist a racist.
I think it started with the Gordon Brown bigoted woman thing. Since then we have to try and find every excuse why someone is being racist. Oh it can't be because they ARE racist... it must be XXX instead.
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#62
Marcus Rashford is a genuine moron and mummy's boy who doesn't know anything about child benefits, using his mother's inability to keep her legs closed when he was younger to fool others into thinking he's an expert on child poverty. Whether they're real racists or not is up to them. I know why I don't like Marcus Rashford and it's not because of his race, he's a charlatan.
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#63
(04-06-2021, 09:57 AM)ladsnet Wrote: So the people booing the England footballers were doing it because they didn't like their character ?
How odd. 
I don't like the character of Marcus Rashford. I'll boo him. But only when he's kneeling down ?




Separate but related issue.
We seem to have entered an era where its not acceptable to call a racist a racist.
I think it started with the Gordon Brown bigoted woman thing. Since then we have to try and find every excuse why someone is being racist.  Oh it can't be because they ARE racist... it must be XXX instead.

I meant in general not with this issue. As gay people do we shoot down straight people and call them homophobic when they say something against us, we all know the definition of racism but it has now become so fluid that folk can use that word if they simply don’t like what your saying, we’ve become a nation walking on eggshells.
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#64
(04-06-2021, 09:49 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Ladsnet further more backing up what I said, can’t say anything against a poc or your racist, no longer judge them on character because of the colour of their skin, and they say we have  privilege.

Do you not see that we DO have privilege? Jermaine Jenas spoke the other day about first encountering stop & search when he was 10. Before he was a famous footballer. People remember that kind of experience.

The government's own figures say between April 2019 and March 2020 there were 563,837 stop and searches in England and Wales - there were 6 stop and searches for every 1,000 White people, compared with 54 for every 1,000 Black people. This is the kind of thing that taking the knee is trying to raise awareness of.

Why are you so annoyed by it?

(04-06-2021, 10:10 AM)JCarter Wrote: Marcus Rashford is a genuine moron and mummy's boy who doesn't know anything about child benefits, using his mother's inability to keep her legs closed when he was younger to fool others into thinking he's an expert on child poverty. Whether they're real racists or not is up to them. I know why I don't like Marcus Rashford and it's not because of his race, he's a charlatan.

And...true colours,  Confused
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#65
Who said I was annoyed by it, I’ve taken part in racism marches, I know what racism is, I don’t need educating, but the point is saying taking the knee no longer is needed at the start of football match is not racist, but folk say it is, because as I’ve said the word racist no longer means it’s definition.

It players started doing death drops at the start of every match for the lgbt community I’d want that stopped too. Actions speak louder than words and his knee business as had zero impact.
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#66
(04-06-2021, 09:41 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 12:53 AM)Bangle1 Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 12:09 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Why is it that if you don’t automatically agree with something relating to poc your a racist though, are we not allowed to disagree with them ? I don’t call straight people homophobic coz they don’t agree with something I do. Saying they should stop kneeling is not racist, nobody has said stop kneeling coz your a poc, nobody is saying we don’t agree with the message, we are just bored of the repetitiveness of it and how it’s expected to be part of how the game is played now.

Have you never discussed this with your friends, who happen not to be white? Surely you understand that after being marginalised, repressed and denied a seat at the table for so long, that people of colour have a right to be express their opinions and it is important to allow that. At the same time, it is important not to lump everyone together as we are all individuals with our own view points and experiences. It confuses me that members of the gay community don't appreciate/can't remember what it is like to finally be acknowledged and heard.

Nobody is declaring a dictatorship, it's important to debate. Although I know as a white person, that I have limited knowledge of what it is to experience racism and my opinion is of less importance. What is important, is to listen and learn.

For what it's worth, my mate finds footballers kneeling to be an empty gesture and thinks it should end. I'm sure many other people of colour appreciate the sentiment.

It’s 2021 not 1951, these multi million pound earning footballers have a seat at the table more so than most and as I’ve asked outside of taking a knee how many have done something, but you kinda backed up my point in that we have to agree with everything poc day and do because of the past, we are not our ancestors. And as I said nobody is denying racism, we just don’t want this at the start of every game anymore, but because it’s about poc we must roll over and not question it coz if we do we are racist.

I didn't say you weren't allowed an opinion or to disagree. I said that you will never understand truly what it is to experience racism and as such you your opinion is of less value on the matter.

(04-06-2021, 09:57 AM)ladsnet Wrote: So the people booing the England footballers were doing it because they didn't like their character ?
How odd. 
I don't like the character of Marcus Rashford. I'll boo him. But only when he's kneeling down ?




Separate but related issue.
We seem to have entered an era where its not acceptable to call a racist a racist.
I think it started with the Gordon Brown bigoted woman thing. Since then we have to try and find every excuse why someone is being racist.  Oh it can't be because they ARE racist... it must be XXX instead.

Of course we can call people who are racist, racist. However, making assumptions of bigotry devalues actual bigotry being called out.
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#67
(04-06-2021, 10:10 AM)JCarter Wrote: Marcus Rashford is a genuine moron and mummy's boy who doesn't know anything about child benefits, using his mother's inability to keep her legs closed when he was younger to fool others into thinking he's an expert on child poverty. Whether they're real racists or not is up to them. I know why I don't like Marcus Rashford and it's not because of his race, he's a charlatan.


Wow.
Every day is like Sesame Street in your life isn't it?  Just joy, love and happiness all around.

Do you want a hug?
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#68
Ladsnet, I'm actually really nice but I can't tolerate idiots which there's simply too many of on this planet.
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#69
(04-06-2021, 11:41 AM)ladsnet Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 10:10 AM)JCarter Wrote: Marcus Rashford is a genuine moron and mummy's boy who doesn't know anything about child benefits, using his mother's inability to keep her legs closed when he was younger to fool others into thinking he's an expert on child poverty. Whether they're real racists or not is up to them. I know why I don't like Marcus Rashford and it's not because of his race, he's a charlatan.


Wow.
Every day is like Sesame Street in your life isn't it?  Just joy, love and happiness all around.

Do you want a hug?

Why are you going down the childish personal attack route? While most of us have disagreed with each other, everyone has tried to avoid taking swipes in that manner. Now someone will respond to you with a petty dig, that will become the back and forth, and the discussion will end. As someone else said, actual discussion is a rarity, why ruin it?
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#70
Rashford is actually one of very few who is doing what I have talked about, I can’t fault him, he’s a credit to the country, his mum and himself
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#71
(04-06-2021, 12:15 PM)Bangle1 Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 11:41 AM)ladsnet Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 10:10 AM)JCarter Wrote: Marcus Rashford is a genuine moron and mummy's boy who doesn't know anything about child benefits, using his mother's inability to keep her legs closed when he was younger to fool others into thinking he's an expert on child poverty. Whether they're real racists or not is up to them. I know why I don't like Marcus Rashford and it's not because of his race, he's a charlatan.


Wow.
Every day is like Sesame Street in your life isn't it?  Just joy, love and happiness all around.

Do you want a hug?

Why are you going down the childish personal attack route? While most of us have disagreed with each other, everyone has tried to avoid taking swipes in that manner. Now someone will respond to you with a petty dig, that will become the back and forth, and the discussion will end. As someone else said, actual discussion is a rarity, why ruin it?

I don't believe I attacked him. I said he had a happy life and offered him a hug ?

And he seemed to take it in good spirit

??
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#72
Well it’s made the news down under....

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#73
(04-06-2021, 01:15 PM)ladsnet Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 12:15 PM)Bangle1 Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 11:41 AM)ladsnet Wrote: Wow.
Every day is like Sesame Street in your life isn't it?  Just joy, love and happiness all around.

Do you want a hug?

Why are you going down the childish personal attack route? While most of us have disagreed with each other, everyone has tried to avoid taking swipes in that manner. Now someone will respond to you with a petty dig, that will become the back and forth, and the discussion will end. As someone else said, actual discussion is a rarity, why ruin it?

I don't believe I attacked him. I said he had a happy life and offered him a hug ?

And he seemed to take it in good spirit

??

I misinterpreted your care in the community, for being a tosser.
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#74
(03-06-2021, 07:01 PM)Ollie2UK Wrote: I don't for one second believe that those people who booed the England players last night have researched the alleged political groups who are claimed to have infiltrated the BLM movement. On the one hand I hear about Marxists and on the other it's meant to be far right activists - all of it is utter bollocks.

If you think Marcus Rashford, Jesse Lingard, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Tyrone Mings, Jude Bellingham, or Bukayo Saka took the knee last night to make a political point - either left or right wing - you're an idiot. It's about racism. If you have a problem with that, you need to take a look at yourself.

Yeah exactly I don't get the booing, people need to see the difference between taking the knee to combat racism and doing this in support of the actual BLM which wants to defund the police, end capitalism and itself is a fringe group that was infiltrated by some far left racists that damaged the course.  
Now football fans who aren't all politically up to speed and lots of whom are working class in small cities hear buzzwords like "Marxism" and decide they hate that and lets "Just get on with the game without politics".  
There is also the whatboutery that some say which is why is George Floyd dying in America worth 12 months of kneeling in protest when we have horrendous things happening to Muslims in china and gay people in the Middle East.  Should the players take a knee in solidarity with them too?

(04-06-2021, 10:10 AM)JCarter Wrote: Marcus Rashford is a genuine moron and mummy's boy who doesn't know anything about child benefits, using his mother's inability to keep her legs closed when he was younger to fool others into thinking he's an expert on child poverty. Whether they're real racists or not is up to them. I know why I don't like Marcus Rashford and it's not because of his race, he's a charlatan.

Wow. I mean the kid has done more to help child poverty than the last 2 leaders of the Opposition!
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#75
Maybe it's different because the racial situation has been different historically in the US as well, but many, if not all, people who aren't racist in the US fall under the belief that you don't get to speak for or have a right to have an opinion that means much of anything about how a specific minority gets to show their protesting of things that are racist/backward/bigoted. It's like a man having an opinion about abortion, basically, because it has the same amount of importance in 99.9 percent of cases, at least in the US. I find it really scary and creepy that someone feels like a minority should stop doing something to show its protest just because some people don't like it or it is slightly inconvenient for that group that that person belongs to now. Yes, doing things personally and physically are lovely, but why do you get an opinion on how a minority does ANYTHING if you're not part of that minority? Why should you get to speak in place of, for, or about something you're not a part of unless it is in support other than in cases of a crime being committed?
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#76
Its been confirmed that England will take the knee before each Euro 2020 match.
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#77
So it happened again... it’s obvious that it’s gonna happen at every game, so either they are gonna have to ban fans or stop the knee
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#78
A tory MP said yesterday that if they take the knee before Euro 2020 matches (which they have already confirmed they definitely will) then he refuses to watch the matches on TV.

So for the sake of a minute of them all kneeling down... when he could go and get a beer or something... he's going to refuse to watch the entire match.

O.K.
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#79
Pretending that booing England is about ‘keeping politics out’ is cowardly


There are issues with knee-taking. Nobody has to agree with anyone else about anything. You might feel this is not necessary, or believe that discrimination is overplayed, or – who knows – a good thing. You might feel there is something odd in football as an industry preaching about inequality, or men who earn 350 times the national wage in a country where people go hungry. These are points for discussion.


But the public booing of a simple anti-racism gesture is a shameful, hurtful act. Doing so to young men, your own players, who are regularly racially abused is doubly shameful. Pretending this has something to do with “keeping politics out”, or that creeping “Marxism” is a threat to your way of life in Britain (Conservative majority: 83) is cowardly and disingenuous.
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(03-06-2021, 10:46 PM)ladsnet Wrote: So just to throw another hat in the ring...


This taking the knee..
Is it going to go on for ever now?

I'm not going to boo it (as I'm not a racist!!!) and I've supported it up to now...
Just seems a bit strange that it's going on and on and on... like forever ??

Kind of how English racism feels.  That feels like it's been going on and on and on... like forever Wink

(04-06-2021, 09:49 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Ladsnet further more backing up what I said, can’t say anything against a poc or your racist, no longer judge them on character because of the colour of their skin, and they say we have  privilege.

I don't know about racist.  Sounds overly paranoid though.  And ridiculous.

(06-06-2021, 11:45 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote: So it happened again... it’s obvious that it’s gonna happen at every game, so either they are gonna have to ban fans or stop the knee

Or, you know, end systemic racism.

That doesn't go away because black people are bored of it getting in the way of their sport/night out/going to the shops/education.

(04-06-2021, 10:10 AM)JCarter Wrote: Marcus Rashford is a genuine moron and mummy's boy who doesn't know anything about child benefits, using his mother's inability to keep her legs closed when he was younger to fool others into thinking he's an expert on child poverty. Whether they're real racists or not is up to them. I know why I don't like Marcus Rashford and it's not because of his race, he's a charlatan.

That's a disgusting thing to say.  You have a right to think it, but it's still disgusting.

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