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England players booed
...for taking the knee
#41
(03-06-2021, 09:10 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote:
(03-06-2021, 09:02 PM)Ollie2UK Wrote:
(03-06-2021, 07:20 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Sorry but I seem to remember romeolover telling a member earlier that their opinion isn’t absolute (or some words like that) so you’ve labelled everryone racist without actually knowing them.

I'm sure romeolover will tell me if I've overstepped the mark. Approve

This thread has really surprised me. I'm struggling to get my head around people justifying booing black football players for protesting against racism.

I mean, that's what it comes to, no matter how you try to dress it up.

You said English players, now it’s black players. Nobody cares what colour you are, play football and use your spare time to raise awareness.

Hard disagree, matches are a platform with a wide reach. Why shouldn't they take the opportunity to educate or promote a more tolerant society?

I'm actually in favour of promoting positive messages, but it's clear this current strategy is not working. Now, if they were to try something else and that met the same reception, I may be revising my hypothesis.
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#42
(03-06-2021, 09:06 PM)Mikey32 Wrote: Ollie, you say that you are surprised by the reaction to the post. I presumed that you made the post because you wanted to generate some debate. Did you just want everyone to agree with you? I don't think they were booing the players because they were black any more than they were cheering the goal because Saka is black.  I reiterate that I wouldn't have booed as I don't think it's the correct response; but you cannot just dismiss people as racist as that adds to the problem.

I started the thread because I was genuinely surprised at the booing last night. I've been genuinely surprised at the reaction on here too. Southgate made the point in his press conference that the black players would have felt particularly snubbed by the booing - and surely it doesn't take much empathy to understand how a back player would feel in that situation?

(03-06-2021, 09:10 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote: You said English players, now it’s black players. Nobody cares what colour you are, play football and use your spare time to raise awareness.

I'm really confused as to what you think these players should be doing in their spare time and why you think they can't raise awareness for 10 seconds before doing their day job.
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#43
In their spare time volunteer with anti racism organisations, go out onto the street and integrate with the public, speak with them, teach. But as I said how many have actually took a physical approach over a gesture. As i said I’m also against rainbow days too. I don’t watch football to be taught social issues, I watch to enjoy the game.
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#44
You’re against rainbow days. You don’t want to be taught social issues. Football has its traditions, and folks don’t want their traditions messed with.

All said with the privilege of gays already having considerable civil rights, economic opportunities, and recognition and respect in society. Very doubtful you’d feel the same way if all the anti-gay bigots who were insisting on ‘traditional values’ had gotten their way. Looking at shirtless pictures of male celebs? You’d be shamed as a pervert and you’d be fired.
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#45
(03-06-2021, 10:24 PM)jdcyl Wrote: You’re against rainbow days.  You don’t want to be taught social issues.  Football has its traditions, and folks don’t want their traditions messed with.

All said with the privilege of gays already having considerable civil rights, economic opportunities, and recognition and respect in society.  Very doubtful you’d feel the same way if all the anti-gay bigots who were insisting on ‘traditional values’ had gotten their way.  Looking at shirtless pictures of male celebs?  You’d be shamed as a pervert and you’d be fired.

Who said traditional values, I said traditional as in kick a ball about. Not sure what that has to do with a wank site. I’ve not once said I’m against raising awareness, there’s ways off going about it and it’s clear this isn’t it, it’s not working.
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#46
So just to throw another hat in the ring...


This taking the knee..
Is it going to go on for ever now?

I'm not going to boo it (as I'm not a racist!!!) and I've supported it up to now...
Just seems a bit strange that it's going on and on and on... like forever ??
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#47
(03-06-2021, 10:46 PM)ladsnet Wrote: So just to throw another hat in the ring...


This taking the knee..
Is it going to go on for ever now?

I'm not going to boo it (as I'm not a racist!!!) and I've supported it up to now...
Just seems a bit strange that it's going on and on and on... like forever ??

Exactly it’s lost it’s impact. Which is why folk want to call time on it. But if they did they would be called racist.
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#48
“football is a tradition in the UK and people don’t like tradition being messed with.”

And with your latest post, you’re claiming that somehow ‘traditions’ in football have different meaning than ‘traditions’ that anti-gay conservatives wanted maintained?

How about the still-standing tradition in football that pretends there is no gay professional footballer? Someone finally coming out of the closet - you wouldn’t want that messed with, huh?
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#49
So, it's "lost its impact" - that's why people are booing it? The arguments put forward seem odd to me. None of them seem to justify the reaction last night - actively booing taking the knee - which was what I originally posted about.

I still don't get why it seems to annoy people so much.
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(03-06-2021, 10:58 PM)jdcyl Wrote: “football is a tradition in the UK and people don’t like tradition being messed with.”

And with your latest post, you’re claiming that somehow ‘traditions’ in football have different meaning than  ‘traditions’ that anti-gay conservatives wanted maintained? 

How about the still-standing tradition in football that pretends there is no gay professional footballer?  Someone finally coming out of the closet - you wouldn’t want that messed with, huh?

Does somebody’s sexuality effect a game, no it doesn’t. Taking time out to kneel every game does. As if it’s meant to be part of every game and it doesn’t need to be. We get it, racism bad.
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#51
(03-06-2021, 11:20 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Taking time out to kneel every game does. As if it’s meant to be part of every game and it doesn’t need to be. We get it, racism bad.

My guess is that the players are hoping to inspire change with the kneeling.
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#52
(03-06-2021, 11:02 PM)Ollie2UK Wrote: So, it's "lost its impact" - that's why people are booing it? The arguments put forward seem odd to me. None of them seem to justify the reaction last night - actively booing taking the knee - which was what I originally posted about.

I still don't get why it seems to annoy people so much.

I don't think booing has anything to do with the length of time it's been happening. If full crowds had been in the stadium when it first started, it would have been deafening.

As it is, stadiums are minimal capacity, so you are only getting a taster. There has also been an opportunity for some to gain perspective regarding it's meaning. A year ago when the statues were coming down and the anti-white manifesto was first released, I suspect it wouldn't have just been boos we were discussing.
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#53
Why is it that if you don’t automatically agree with something relating to poc your a racist though, are we not allowed to disagree with them ? I don’t call straight people homophobic coz they don’t agree with something I do. Saying they should stop kneeling is not racist, nobody has said stop kneeling coz your a poc, nobody is saying we don’t agree with the message, we are just bored of the repetitiveness of it and how it’s expected to be part of how the game is played now.
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#54
I think.. even if RyCamp and people of his way of thinking were booing the knee, for the reasons he gives... they'd probably be about 5% max of the boo-ers.

We all know why the 95% others are booing.
Even if we don't want to admit it.
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#55
Ladsnet - it's a shame with you being an admin, that a pretty decent debate (which is a rarity these days) is interrupted by your 'if you boo you are a racist' diatribe. It is precisely that attitude which means that race relations will never improve because you cannot get past the single centric viewpoint.
I'm suggesting it's because you have to hold this viewpoint because of the website you represent, but it is a shame you are unwilling to engage with people who do not subscribe to your view.
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#56
(04-06-2021, 12:36 AM)westham1980 Wrote: Ladsnet - it's a shame with you being an admin, that a pretty decent debate (which is a rarity these days) is interrupted by your 'if you boo you are a racist' diatribe. It is precisely that attitude which means that race relations will never improve because you cannot get past the single centric viewpoint.
I'm suggesting it's because you have to hold this viewpoint because of the website you represent, but it is a shame you are unwilling to engage with people who do not subscribe to your view.
Ah yes, anti-racism is the real racism.
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#57
(04-06-2021, 12:09 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Why is it that if you don’t automatically agree with something relating to poc your a racist though, are we not allowed to disagree with them ? I don’t call straight people homophobic coz they don’t agree with something I do. Saying they should stop kneeling is not racist, nobody has said stop kneeling coz your a poc, nobody is saying we don’t agree with the message, we are just bored of the repetitiveness of it and how it’s expected to be part of how the game is played now.

Have you never discussed this with your friends, who happen not to be white? Surely you understand that after being marginalised, repressed and denied a seat at the table for so long, that people of colour have a right to be express their opinions and it is important to allow that. At the same time, it is important not to lump everyone together as we are all individuals with our own view points and experiences. It confuses me that members of the gay community don't appreciate/can't remember what it is like to finally be acknowledged and heard.

Nobody is declaring a dictatorship, it's important to debate. Although I know as a white person, that I have limited knowledge of what it is to experience racism and my opinion is of less importance. What is important, is to listen and learn.

For what it's worth, my mate finds footballers kneeling to be an empty gesture and thinks it should end. I'm sure many other people of colour appreciate the sentiment.
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#58
(04-06-2021, 12:53 AM)Bangle1 Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 12:09 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Why is it that if you don’t automatically agree with something relating to poc your a racist though, are we not allowed to disagree with them ? I don’t call straight people homophobic coz they don’t agree with something I do. Saying they should stop kneeling is not racist, nobody has said stop kneeling coz your a poc, nobody is saying we don’t agree with the message, we are just bored of the repetitiveness of it and how it’s expected to be part of how the game is played now.

Have you never discussed this with your friends, who happen not to be white? Surely you understand that after being marginalised, repressed and denied a seat at the table for so long, that people of colour have a right to be express their opinions and it is important to allow that. At the same time, it is important not to lump everyone together as we are all individuals with our own view points and experiences. It confuses me that members of the gay community don't appreciate/can't remember what it is like to finally be acknowledged and heard.

Nobody is declaring a dictatorship, it's important to debate. Although I know as a white person, that I have limited knowledge of what it is to experience racism and my opinion is of less importance. What is important, is to listen and learn.

For what it's worth, my mate finds footballers kneeling to be an empty gesture and thinks it should end. I'm sure many other people of colour appreciate the sentiment.

It’s 2021 not 1951, these multi million pound earning footballers have a seat at the table more so than most and as I’ve asked outside of taking a knee how many have done something, but you kinda backed up my point in that we have to agree with everything poc day and do because of the past, we are not our ancestors. And as I said nobody is denying racism, we just don’t want this at the start of every game anymore, but because it’s about poc we must roll over and not question it coz if we do we are racist.
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#59
(04-06-2021, 12:36 AM)westham1980 Wrote: Ladsnet - it's a shame with you being an admin, that a pretty decent debate (which is a rarity these days) is interrupted by your 'if you boo you are a racist' diatribe.  It is precisely that attitude which means that race relations will never improve because you cannot get past the single centric viewpoint.
I'm suggesting it's because you have to hold this viewpoint because of the website you represent, but it is a shame you are unwilling to engage with people who do not subscribe to your view.


Nothing to do with my position on this site.

I don't know what its like in London.  I live in the industrial north of England.  From all my experience of people in this area, in my many aged years, I can tell you that the vast majority of people who would boo a 'taking the knee' are doing it because they're racist.
I'm not saying all.

I'm just basing it on what I see.
I work with a lot of, what one would call 'blue collar workers' back in the day. Pub > curry > Pub > footie pub > bookies.
I can tell you now... when they're booing taking the knee its not for political socio-economic reasons



Again I point out I'm not saying any criticsm of taking the knee is racist.  I have said myself I don't get why its going on and on and on forever..

But BOOING at a football match ?
Sorry if the truth hurts. Racists.
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#60
Ladsnet further more backing up what I said, can’t say anything against a poc or your racist, no longer judge them on character because of the colour of their skin, and they say we have privilege.
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