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Naomi Osaka + Press conferences
#41
(02-06-2021, 01:45 PM)Bangle1 Wrote:
(02-06-2021, 01:15 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote:
(02-06-2021, 01:10 PM)Bangle1 Wrote: I actually wasn't making it either a gender or a race issue, interestingly that's what you chose to infer from it. I was referring to someone long established who had been at the top of their game. Should they get special consideration?

Interesting that you choice a white British male as an example. To answer the question nobody gets special treatment, which is what she has come to learn.

As someone who's Scottish, why wouldn't I choose Andy Murray as an example? My point stands. I believe he would receive a completely different reaction from the public and media.
In part due to tenure, in part due to his past success. Why should someone starting out not be afforded the same understanding? As a society, we are supposed to be more understanding of mental health problems, I see very little evidence of it in this thread.

I have a personality disorder so I know plenty about mental health but I’d also know not to sign a contract that I knew would effect my mental health.
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#42
(02-06-2021, 02:49 PM)Bangle1 Wrote:
(02-06-2021, 02:23 PM)JCarter Wrote:
(02-06-2021, 01:45 PM)Bangle1 Wrote: As someone who's Scottish, why wouldn't I choose Andy Murray as an example? My point stands. I believe he would receive a completely different reaction from the public and media.
In part due to tenure, in part due to his past success. Why should someone starting out not be afforded the same understanding? As a society, we are supposed to be more understanding of mental health problems, I see very little evidence of it in this thread.

As a society we should be more understanding of those with real mental health problems especially during this pandemic. A tennis player has the money to pay for therapy and the financial freedom to walk away from her tennis or media commitments, I have to say that I find it revolting that people on this thread think that a privileged tennis player has ownership over what is a real mental health emergency and what isn't. If you're going to promote mental health then for fucks sakes find someone relatable because Naomi just isn't your girl for the job.

You do realise that mental health doesn't discriminate in terms of wealth? Not all mental health issues can be managed or cured. A person has declared a mental health problem, she should receive the same understanding as anyone else, regardless of wealth, race, gender, likeability. Nobody is making her the poster-child for anything, simply noting that she has declared a mental health problem. If she were to be working a 9-5 in an office and declare a need for special consideration, she would be afforded it.

I have already acknowledged her mental health problems and I've suggested that she retire immediately I can't make it any clearer than that.
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#43
(02-06-2021, 02:46 PM)deegee178 Wrote: And saying things like “they can walk away” (as well “they should stick to their contract”, which others have advocated) shows a complete lack of understanding of mental health issues

Be careful when wading into the "contract" issue.  Contracts are upheld by law and both parties have an interest in its fulfillment.  If you start advocating that people can walk away from their signed contracts (i.e. breach of contract) without repercussion then you're heading down a slippery slope.  Our whole system of rule of law rests on fulfillment of contractual obligations.

Compassion for mental health issues is a completely different matter.

When contractual obligations and health issues collide then the matter has to be worked out to mutual satisfaction (unless, of course, the remedy has already been written into the contract).  I've read on here that Naomi has paid a fine for her breach of contract, presumably to mutual satisfaction?  Case settled. Why are we arguing?
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#44
^ Indeed. I wasn’t saying that people should just walk away but its just to me (at least) statements like retire, walk away, stick it out etc come across as blunt and lacking understanding. As you say both parties should get together to try and resolve, which in the case of tennis seems to be the way they are moving  Approve  Approve

As an aside, I’ve worked with contracts for many years and had a boss who always used to say that “the best contracts are the ones left on the shelf”. In other words if you can not resolve any differences without reaching for the contract then the relationship is effectively ruined.
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#45
(02-06-2021, 03:12 PM)JCarter Wrote:
(02-06-2021, 02:49 PM)Bangle1 Wrote:
(02-06-2021, 02:23 PM)JCarter Wrote: As a society we should be more understanding of those with real mental health problems especially during this pandemic. A tennis player has the money to pay for therapy and the financial freedom to walk away from her tennis or media commitments, I have to say that I find it revolting that people on this thread think that a privileged tennis player has ownership over what is a real mental health emergency and what isn't. If you're going to promote mental health then for fucks sakes find someone relatable because Naomi just isn't your girl for the job.

You do realise that mental health doesn't discriminate in terms of wealth? Not all mental health issues can be managed or cured. A person has declared a mental health problem, she should receive the same understanding as anyone else, regardless of wealth, race, gender, likeability. Nobody is making her the poster-child for anything, simply noting that she has declared a mental health problem. If she were to be working a 9-5 in an office and declare a need for special consideration, she would be afforded it.

Quote:I have already acknowledged her mental health problems and I've suggested that she retire immediately I can't make it any clearer than that.


You've said about 3-4 times, she should retire!  Not everyone has to agree with your opinion! 
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#46
Clearly after saying it 3 to 4 times people still aren't getting it, thus the need to say it again.
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#47
People don't have to get it, you don't have to force your opinion on people. This is a discussion not a one-way street to hear your voice!
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#48
No, you need to follow the conversation properly. The user who responded to me  said I had failed to understand Naomi's alleged mental health, and my response was no I did acknowledge her mental problems and for that reason I think she should retire and remove herself permanently from tennis globally and lucratively.
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#49
(03-06-2021, 09:49 AM)JCarter Wrote: No, you need to follow the conversation properly. The user who responded to me  said I had failed to understand Naomi's alleged mental health, and my response was no I did acknowledge her mental problems and for that reason I think she should retire and remove herself permanently from tennis globally and lucratively.

No, you need to stop with this overbearing opinionated dialogue, other people can have their views, you don't need to challenge every single member who disagrees with you.  This isn't the Jcarter show which you obviously think it is. 

Move on.
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#50
Romeolover I thought the discussion forums where set up so we can debate topics.
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#51
(03-06-2021, 10:35 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Romeolover I thought the discussion forums where set up so we can debate topics.

I won't be participating in anymore Naomi retire threads or Naomi interview threads anymore.
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#52
Of course, they are! However, I'm sure you'll agree why I've intervened.
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#53
(03-06-2021, 10:41 AM)JCarter Wrote:
(03-06-2021, 10:35 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Romeolover I thought the discussion forums where set up so we can debate topics.

I won't be participating in anymore Naomi retire threads or Naomi interview threads anymore.


50p says that will turn out not to be true.
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#54
(03-06-2021, 09:49 AM)JCarter Wrote: No, you need to follow the conversation properly. The user who responded to me  said I had failed to understand Naomi's alleged mental health, and my response was no I did acknowledge her mental problems and for that reason I think she should retire and remove herself permanently from tennis globally and lucratively.

I would suggest that you are the one who needs to 'follow the conversation properly'. At no point did I say (or infer) that you had failed to understand anything. I'm saying it now though.
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#55
So should everyone with mental health issues have to resign if they find their job too stressful ?
No asking for your employees help? Just - out you go !

Or is it just rich people that applies to?
They have to suck up having mental health issues. Cos they're rich ?!
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#56
Ladsnet if she’s have voiced her concerns before signing then they could have maybe worked something out, but she went about it in a tantrum esq fashion.
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#57
Really?

I saw no tantrums.
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#58
People pay a lot to see her play and a short press conference after the match isn't too much to ask. Fans just want to hear some of her insight, her strategy and how the match went. No one is expecting her to act, just a few words of honesty from the player about the game.
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#59
Do we know that mental health is the "true" reason for why she backed out of the interview or could it be that it was a surrogate reason?
(I don't follow the details in the news so I'm just asking if that is a possibility.  People do that kind of thing you know.  I know one or two.)
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#60
A very interesting article in The Atlantic.  It suggests that the primary issue in Osaka's dispute with the French Open is not mental health (a secondary issue or "excuse"?), but rather a much larger issue is center court about a power struggle about who should make the rules - and how much power athletes have to protect themselves. The primary issue is not about "her". She is just the messenger.

So far it looks like Tennis won neither the battle nor the war with Naomi Osaka.

I didn't read the whole thing (it's long), but read enough.

The Atlantic
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