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#21
(31-05-2021, 02:13 AM)jumbler Wrote: I think you mean successful, rather than just creative. It’s just a reflection of human nature.

Maybe that’s why I’m quite cynical these days; I’ve seen it all before.

I did mean creative.  Successful is a misunderstood word.  It means different things to different people.
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#22
The Roman Polanski thing is really strange, in two counts. One, he’s never really tried to mitigate, or explain why he did what he did. Two, you would think after his wife being murdered, he’d have had some sort of respect or appreciation for other people, especially their children.

(31-05-2021, 02:15 AM)Parsifal Wrote: I did mean creative.  Successful is a misunderstood word.  It means different things to different people.
OK, but I tend to take successful as meaning profitable, or influential, well-regarded. Not just personally fulfilling.
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#23
People at that level are not normal (whatever "normal" means).
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#24
It was a pretty brutal murder, to be fair. And after living through the war in Poland, practically in hiding, most people would have issues. Some would be fucked up by that.
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#25
Previously I mentioned Richard Wagner, a megalomaniac crackpot who wrote gloriously beautiful music.  (Even Jews love his operas.)
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#26
Never liked Wagner.
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#27
As a person, obviously not. But as a musician, is that a sincere belief, or just unconscious bias talking??
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#28
I never liked his music and I had to study it. We all have biases. I think he's overwrought and self-important. I prefer Verdi but I don't like late Romanticism much.

(31-05-2021, 02:12 AM)Parsifal Wrote:
(30-05-2021, 10:30 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Now that the thread is rolling I have to say I don't love Anthony Hopkins much anymore, either. His coldness to his daughter is really odd. I don't know how you can abandon your family, no matter how awful the circumstances, and be at peace with yourself ignoring a child you fathered.

I think we have to accept that the people who are highly creative or who otherwise make it (claw it?) to the top are often not very nice people or otherwise not ethically mainstream.  That's just the way it is.

When Ross Perot was running for president as a third-party candidate in 1992 he said that politics attracts the wrong kinds of people.  (Did he include himself in that?)

It's what floats to the top, what we get.  (Ernest Hemingway was a loony.)

There are nice geniuses and artists. Mostly women. Big Grin We tend to reward ruthlessness mostly to avoid confrontation.
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#29
(31-05-2021, 02:26 AM)Parsifal Wrote: Previously I mentioned Richard Wagner, a megalomaniac crackpot who wrote gloriously beautiful music.  (Even Jews love his operas.)

You've taken note of my username?  My favorite opera. Cloud 9
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#30
(31-05-2021, 04:09 AM)Parsifal Wrote:
(31-05-2021, 02:26 AM)Parsifal Wrote: Previously I mentioned Richard Wagner, a megalomaniac crackpot who wrote gloriously beautiful music.  (Even Jews love his operas.)

You've taken note of my username?  My favorite opera. Cloud 9

And your repeated fawning over Wagner a few times. I pay attention to you even when I'm rolling my eyes at you.

Before we get to chatting, I no longer like Hitchcock films, either.
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#31
(31-05-2021, 04:38 AM)Heinrich Wrote:
(31-05-2021, 04:09 AM)Parsifal Wrote:
(31-05-2021, 02:26 AM)Parsifal Wrote: Previously I mentioned Richard Wagner, a megalomaniac crackpot who wrote gloriously beautiful music.  (Even Jews love his operas.)

You've taken note of my username?  My favorite opera. Cloud 9

And your repeated fawning over Wagner a few times. I pay attention to you even when I'm rolling my eyes at you.

Before we get to chatting, I no longer like Hitchcock films, either.

We are indeed not on the same page.  But we've known that for a long time. Smile 
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I've traveled to Seattle three times (or four?) for the Seattle Opera Wagner Ring Cycle. Tongue
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#32
Okay I WOULD love to see the Ring Cycle once before I die. I have to admire the balls it takes to demand an entire day from your audience.

And without Wagner, we wouldn't have euphonia, which I played in high school.

I hate you. But not enough to stop liking you. I think that's close to topic right?
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#33
Thinking about this carefully, I don't think I have really stopped liking something because of some new scandal. I think there will be a bit of an immediate reactive shock that will make me want to avoid watching or engaging, but I don't really think it lasts for me. Well so far anyway. Generally, I don't like to ban or censor for consenting adults.
I grew up with very vocal self-appointed "clean up tv and film filth" people regularly on the media, raging about any whiff of sex or violence, demanding and sometimes getting bans or censorship.
I usually manage to separate actors from their characters. With writers and directors, I can't say I've felt repulsed by their work even I've learnt something very wrong, disturbing or weird about them. Maybe I will in future, I don't know. Is a work tainted by association, maybe it depends on the work itself, I'm really not sure.
It seems to feel very different with presenters and most definitely with politicians, as they are trying to present themselves to the public.  Then again, perhaps for me, there's no hard and fast rules.
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#34
(31-05-2021, 02:26 AM)Parsifal Wrote: Previously I mentioned Richard Wagner, a megalomaniac crackpot who wrote gloriously beautiful music.  (Even Jews love his operas.)

Mark Twain's famous quote 

"Wagner's music is better than it sounds."
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#35
(31-05-2021, 06:00 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Okay I WOULD love to see the Ring Cycle once before I die. I have to admire the balls it takes to demand an entire day from your audience.

An entire day?  The Ring Cycle consists of four operas with a total of about 16 hours of music (depending on how fast or slow the conductor conducts) performed over a span of six days (days 1, 2, 4 and 6).

(31-05-2021, 06:00 AM)Heinrich Wrote: I hate you. But not enough to stop liking you. I think that's close to topic right?

LOL
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(31-05-2021, 12:37 PM)Joe Rimbaud Wrote: I usually manage to separate actors from their characters. With writers and directors, I can't say I've felt repulsed by their work even I've learnt something very wrong, disturbing or weird about them. Maybe I will in future, I don't know. Is a work tainted by association, maybe it depends on the work itself, I'm really not sure.

There's a saying that you should never meet your favorite author in person.  LOL
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#36
(31-05-2021, 03:51 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(31-05-2021, 06:00 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Okay I WOULD love to see the Ring Cycle once before I die. I have to admire the balls it takes to demand an entire day from your audience.

An entire day?  The Ring Cycle consists of four operas with a total of about 16 hours of music (depending on how fast or slow the conductor conducts) performed over a span of six days (days 1, 2, 4 and 6).

I wanna say he wrote it with the intent you fucking sit there and watch it all at once. Meddlesome producers said he couldn't do that or something.
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#37
(31-05-2021, 05:00 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(31-05-2021, 03:51 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(31-05-2021, 06:00 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Okay I WOULD love to see the Ring Cycle once before I die. I have to admire the balls it takes to demand an entire day from your audience.

An entire day?  The Ring Cycle consists of four operas with a total of about 16 hours of music (depending on how fast or slow the conductor conducts) performed over a span of six days (days 1, 2, 4 and 6).

I wanna say he wrote it with the intent you fucking sit there and watch it all at once. Meddlesome producers said he couldn't do that or something.

I never heard that story and very much doubt it.
The first one that he wrote was Gotterdammerung (i.e. opera 4) and realized that it needed a "prelude" and thus came Siegfried (opera 3) then Die Walkure (opera 2) and finally Das Rheingold (opera 1) to tell the whole story (based on Nordic and Teutonic mythology).

He felt that there were no opera houses in Germany worthy of his new operas so he built his own in Bayreuth in the northern Bavarian hills of Franconia.  The idea was that people should come and make a holiday out of it enjoying walks in the parks and afternoons in cafes.  The one-day gaps on days 3 and 5 are to take a break because each opera is longer than the one before it (Gotterdammerung = 6 hours).

As for liking or not liking something, the experience at the end of the week walking out of Gotterdammerung is one of exaltation with the world redeemed.  (And then you walk outside and face reality.  LOL )
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#38
Yeah but then the Beyreuthfestspielhaus had too many instruments so the singers couldn't be heard so they had to build a pit under the stage. I cannot imagine how awful that sounded. Nobody's hearing all your agonizing detail in that setting. But I'm sure he thought it was perfect and the tonedeaf sycophant rich people told him they could totally tell the difference.

Back on topic I have been trying to find something to like about JCarter, alas...
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#39
Almost every person who, for me, would apply to this topic is no longer famous, and also no longer acting, but I will say I am perfectly fine "cancelling" actors and other famous people who turn out to be utterly awful people, especially criminals, in their real lives. Most of the people I "stopped liking" simply turned out to be right wing religious zealots or conspiracy theorists who blame everyone else for their loss of careers instead of themselves.
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#40
(01-06-2021, 04:36 AM)Jwb52z Wrote: Most of the people I "stopped liking" simply turned out to be right wing religious zealots or conspiracy theorists who blame everyone else for their loss of careers instead of themselves.

I never did like those people so I didn't have to stop liking them.
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