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#1
I've done a thread on Tom Welling, who was Superman on Smallville.

In the show Allison Mack, who played Chloe Sullivan. Mack was arrested in Brooklyn by the FBI on charges of sex trafficking, sex trafficking conspiracy, and forced labor conspiracy in relation to her role in the NXIVM organization.

I'm wondering if something has come out about a celebrity that was in a tv show, or a film that tainted it for them?
Of if they had a crush on a celebrity that now you think, why did waste a wank on them?
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#2
Never had a crush on him, but loved Iggy Pop's whole mythology until I learned he fathered a child with a 13-year-old when he was 23 AND "dated" her YOUNGER sister!

Anyone who's done things similar I've completely gone off. I accept Bowie because it appears it was only the one 15-year-old and she forgave him. The Rolling Stones are all assholes, Clapton, etc.
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#3
I liked the film The Ninth Gate by Roman Polanski.
When I found out what he did, thought not gonna watch his films not more.
That was back in the Naughties.
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(30-05-2021, 08:40 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Never had a crush on him, but loved Iggy Pop's whole mythology until I learned he fathered a child with a 13-year-old when he was 23 AND "dated" her YOUNGER sister!

Anyone who's done things similar I've completely gone off. I accept Bowie because it appears it was only the one 15-year-old and she forgave him. The Rolling Stones are all assholes, Clapton, etc.

Am I missing something here? Because Iggy Pop is the guy that automatically you think of when imagining someone fancying 13 year old girls. What's the shock about? He was literally screaming it from the rooftops since birth. As for the op: no my love for Smallville hasn't changed because Allison is some sex cult degenerate, I separate the actor's onscreen work from their private lives, that's what adults do.
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Richard Wagner was a terrible anti-Semitic human being.  But his operas are brilliant and sublime without a trace of anti-Semitism.  (So what that Hitler liked his operas.)

I don't know how the royalty system works with films, but if a Polanski film has genuine artistic value and he gets no benefit from you watching it then there is no harm in doing so.  (However, that may be a big "if".  I don't know.)
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(30-05-2021, 08:57 PM)JCarter Wrote:
(30-05-2021, 08:40 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Never had a crush on him, but loved Iggy Pop's whole mythology until I learned he fathered a child with a 13-year-old when he was 23 AND "dated" her YOUNGER sister!

Anyone who's done things similar I've completely gone off. I accept Bowie because it appears it was only the one 15-year-old and she forgave him. The Rolling Stones are all assholes, Clapton, etc.

Am I missing something here? Because Iggy Pop is the guy that automatically you think of when imagining someone fancying 13 year old girls. What's the shock about? He was literally screaming it from the rooftops since birth. As for the op: no my love for Smallville hasn't changed because Allison is some sex cult degenerate, I separate the actor's onscreen work from their private lives, that's what adults do.
I never had that impression from Iggy for whatever reason, but I certainly don't listen to him now.

Who the artist is informs every aspect of their art. Look at any of the others: Polanski, Allen, etc, and their misdeeds color their work. If I find an artist distasteful or terrible as a person, their art is the art of a bad person and not worth my time.

We're all human beings, and as such, we are allowed mistakes, but predators don't ever regard those things as mistakes. That changes their art for me.

Whether we agree or not, JCarter, you don't get to speak for what everyone else's view of this topic should be.

*In cases like Smallville, where the bad artist is not the main focus of or the source of the product, I give a little more leeway. Especially since there is some great fun in that series.

Oh, the only time I've ever really "hated" no longer watching a movie series is the Singer X-Men. Once you learn Singer is a rapist, you can start to see it in the movies quite readily. Who gets the good closeups, who's cast for parts they don't suit, etc. He clearly wanted to fuck Ben Hardy and Daniel Cudmore.
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#7
Does Kevin Spacey's deplorable off-set behavior invalidate House of Cards seasons 1-5?  (I hated season 6 after he was no more)
I loved the first five seasons of House of Cards, had the hots for Nathan Darrow Fancy (as Edward Meechum), but saw no untoward energy between Spacey and Darrow and do not know if Spacey had anything to do with Darrow's casting.

Some day I may watch seasons 1-5 again after enough time has passed (if only to lust over Darrow again).  It was good.
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#8
I was really into House of Cards for the first couple seasons but went off it before the scandal. I think it was too cynical for me. Loved Robin Wright but the show was so clearly Spacey's I'm sure it didn't pivot to her very easily.

Spacey's really not hard for me to avoid. Never really was into his work before his skeletons came out.

*Is Darrow the secret service guy they seduce?
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(30-05-2021, 10:07 PM)Heinrich Wrote: *Is Darrow the secret service guy they seduce?

Yes. Fancy
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(30-05-2021, 10:07 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I was really into House of Cards for the first couple seasons but went off it before the scandal. I think it was too cynical for me. Loved Robin Wright but the show was so clearly Spacey's I'm sure it didn't pivot to her very easily.

Spacey's really not hard for me to avoid. Never really was into his work before his skeletons came out.

*Is Darrow the secret service guy they seduce?

So you don't pay much attention to Kevin Spacey but you're all in for Iggy Pop... Makes sense.
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(30-05-2021, 10:12 PM)JCarter Wrote:
(30-05-2021, 10:07 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I was really into House of Cards for the first couple seasons but went off it before the scandal. I think it was too cynical for me. Loved Robin Wright but the show was so clearly Spacey's I'm sure it didn't pivot to her very easily.

Spacey's really not hard for me to avoid. Never really was into his work before his skeletons came out.

*Is Darrow the secret service guy they seduce?

So you don't pay much attention to Kevin Spacey but you're all in for Iggy Pop... Makes sense.

I like hard rock and proto-punk. I don't like weird shitty nineties thrillers. Hope that clears things up for you.

What is your deal, dude? What do you even mean?
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(30-05-2021, 10:14 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(30-05-2021, 10:12 PM)JCarter Wrote:
(30-05-2021, 10:07 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I was really into House of Cards for the first couple seasons but went off it before the scandal. I think it was too cynical for me. Loved Robin Wright but the show was so clearly Spacey's I'm sure it didn't pivot to her very easily.

Spacey's really not hard for me to avoid. Never really was into his work before his skeletons came out.

*Is Darrow the secret service guy they seduce?

So you don't pay much attention to Kevin Spacey but you're all in for Iggy Pop... Makes sense.

I like hard rock and proto-punk. I don't like weird shitty nineties thrillers. Hope that clears things up for you.

What is your deal, dude? What do you even mean?
Dude, I knew you were into Iggy Pop before you even knew you were. Don't worry about it. As for your weird nineties thriller jibe it doesn't get any weirder or weirder looking than Iggy.
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(30-05-2021, 10:07 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I was really into House of Cards for the first couple seasons but went off it before the scandal. I think it was too cynical for me because real life surpassed the absurdity of it.

There you go, fixed it for you  Tongue

Joking aside, I really like Kevin Spacey as an actor but now find it hard to watch his stuff (including H of C).
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(30-05-2021, 10:19 PM)deegee178 Wrote:
(30-05-2021, 10:07 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I was really into House of Cards for the first couple seasons but went off it before the scandal. I think it was too cynical for me because real life surpassed the absurdity of it.

There you go, fixed it for you  Tongue

Joking aside, I really like Kevin Spacey as an actor but now find it hard to watch his stuff (including H of C).

I dunno. Real life has stayed pretty consistent. We've had worse than Trump, and very little changed during or since.

Now that the thread is rolling I have to say I don't love Anthony Hopkins much anymore, either. His coldness to his daughter is really odd. I don't know how you can abandon your family, no matter how awful the circumstances, and be at peace with yourself ignoring a child you fathered.
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(30-05-2021, 10:12 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(30-05-2021, 10:07 PM)Heinrich Wrote: *Is Darrow the secret service guy they seduce?

Yes. Fancy

I'm sure that Spacey enjoyed rehearsing that scene over and over again. Wink

Spoiler:
SHOW SPOILER CONTENT
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#16
So I used to love porn star Sebastian Young. Shitty criminal person (many of them are), but still found him attractive to have a tug to.

Then I read about what happened with his daughter and the line was crossed. Even the sight of him made me sick to my stomach. Can't say I was upset to hear of him being killed in a shootout with police.
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#17
@Heinrich, whether Bryan Singer wanted to fuck Ben Hardy and Daniel Cudmore is irrelevant both of them looked their roles, that's all that matters. And are you honestly telling me if you were a powerful Hollywood movie director that you wouldn't do the same? Lol.
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(30-05-2021, 10:30 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Now that the thread is rolling I have to say I don't love Anthony Hopkins much anymore, either. His coldness to his daughter is really odd. I don't know how you can abandon your family, no matter how awful the circumstances, and be at peace with yourself ignoring a child you fathered.
There are several points you have to ask here. Why do people often have children with their new partner, and not once but twice?? And do the same thing again?? Can you have (the same level of) a meaningful relationship with three separate lots of children?? From three different parents??

It really dilutes the bond between parent and child. Even the most exceptional person is going to leave one of their children feeling less privileged in some way. The more so if that parent is no longer in their day-to-day life.

However, as far as Hopkins himself goes, I think he’s right. Yes, people do grow apart from their relatives. I’ve seen it happen many times. Blood is not always thicker than water.

If there were adverse reasons, such as an affair, or just plain abandonment, walking off and never hearing from them again, that is pretty bad. But that’s not what happened here.

Postscript: I didn’t really know about Clint Eastwood’s private life until quite recently. For example, his son Scott did not take his surname at birth; his Dad wasn’t even on his birth certificate. Clint was already in a relationship whilst having an affair with Scott’s mum. And not for the first time. People learn how to live with that sort of thing, or sometimes not.
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(30-05-2021, 10:30 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Now that the thread is rolling I have to say I don't love Anthony Hopkins much anymore, either. His coldness to his daughter is really odd. I don't know how you can abandon your family, no matter how awful the circumstances, and be at peace with yourself ignoring a child you fathered.

I think we have to accept that the people who are highly creative or who otherwise make it (claw it?) to the top are often not very nice people or otherwise not ethically mainstream.  That's just the way it is.

When Ross Perot was running for president as a third-party candidate in 1992 he said that politics attracts the wrong kinds of people.  (Did he include himself in that?)

It's what floats to the top, what we get.  (Ernest Hemingway was a loony.)
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#20
I think you mean successful, rather than just creative. It’s just a reflection of human nature.

Maybe that’s why I’m quite cynical these days; I’ve seen it all before.
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