Separate or Shared Toilets ?

[Parsifal]

Christ! I'm starting to sound like Parsi.

[Welsh Cake]

If women want men to leave the seat down after men use it, then they should leave it up after they use it. If not, then don't bitch about the piss on the seat

Long story short. There are only blokes in my office at the moment. No urinals, just 3 separate cubicles around the office - two unisex ( though I’ve never seen women use them) and two clearly marked men and women. On a couple of occasions I’ve used the ladies if the men’s was occupied rather than walk to a unisex one. Imagine my surprise when I saw a note pinned to the wall asking ladies to wipe the toilet seat before leaving the room. They’re not as fastidious as they’d like us to believe!

[chabang]

Properly designed unisex facilities usually have a side room with just urinals in then a main room with lots of cubicles. All the ones I’ve used seemed to work perfectly - if there’s queues to use the toilet (whether unisex or gendered) then by definition the facility hasn’t been properly designed rather than the concept being at fault.

[Heinrich]

Chabang with the science.

I have never understood the seat up/down thing. Ever since I learned flushing with the seat up aerosolizes all the particles in the toilet, I've always put the seat down before flushing and I leave it that way. Is it really so difficult to move it to your desired position?

[Parsifal]

From what I've heard (from women) they get annoyed if men leave the seat up because they don't want to have to touch it.  (So men should touch it instead)
TBH I don't know how women sit (or don't sit) on a public toilet seat and what they mean by not wanting to touch it.
I always move the seat up and down with my foot.

Putting the seat down is not the same thing as putting the lid down. (In these parts toilet seats are in two parts, the seat and the lid) The women are talking about the seat without the lid.

[Heinrich]

Both sides are being dramatic. Wash your hands, crisis averted.

[Parsifal]

Both sides are being dramatic.

You're missing the point Heinrich.
The women are complaining (as usual) and the men are ignoring them (as usual).
Not both sides being dramatic.

Wash your hands, crisis averted.

Try telling that to the women.

[Heinrich]

Meh. I'm not even sure where I stand on the original issue. I do think it's important for women to feel safe so I understand gendered restrooms. The gay bars here have common entries for all but you can go to the urinals or the stalls. Then of course there's the good ol' 19 bar that has a stall but no door, or the kink bar that has that feature plus a line of theater seats to watch.

[ladsnet]

Why do we have to have urinals ?
If this is an issue... Whats wrong with pissing into a toilet bowl ?

[Parsifal]

Pissing into urinals is more fun (although not as much fun as pissing in the bushes).
You don't have to deal with the seat (up and down or dripping on the seat).
Real estate.  Urinals take up less space than stalls.  You can fit more into the same space.
Better for peeking (if that's your thing).

[Vic]

Pissing into urinals is more fun (although not as much fun as pissing in the bushes).
You don't have to deal with the seat (up and down or dripping on the seat).
Real estate.  Urinals take up less space than stalls.  You can fit more into the same space.
Better for peeking (if that's your thing).

And you can take a sneaky look at what's pissing next to you...

[Parsifal]

Pissing into urinals is more fun (although not as much fun as pissing in the bushes).
You don't have to deal with the seat (up and down or dripping on the seat).
Real estate.  Urinals take up less space than stalls.  You can fit more into the same space.
Better for peeking (if that's your thing).

And you can take a sneaky look at what's pissing next to you...

I did like that mirror above the trough in San Francisco.

I think we're both perverts Vic.

[Vic]

Pissing into urinals is more fun (although not as much fun as pissing in the bushes).
You don't have to deal with the seat (up and down or dripping on the seat).
Real estate.  Urinals take up less space than stalls.  You can fit more into the same space.
Better for peeking (if that's your thing).

And you can take a sneaky look at what's pissing next to you...

I did like that mirror above the trough in San Francisco.

I think we're both perverts Vic.

Nothing perverted about admiring another guy's cock

[protaras]

Personally I think this subject is an absolute minefield, for example is a man who self identifies as a women goes into the women's changing room it will lead to a lot of uncomfortable women and girls who will feel their private safe space has been violated by a man.
Whereas if a trans women has transitioned that is very different and obviously she will use female changing rooms.
Of course the topic of trans itself is such a divisive topic in the LGBT community, so I don't think everyone will ever agree on this.

[loverboy260]

No, there's a way of knowing whether Heinrich has been disciplined or not. He hasn't been disciplined for that remark as was pretty obvious.

the red marks on his bottom imply otherwise 

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Sorry if I'm skim reading... I can't keep up.

Are we saying now that trans people will be beaten up if they go into the "wrong toilet" ? Who by exactly? Roving bands of toilet vigilantes.

surely the 'transphobes' would have a problem? also speaking of this are there any stats on assaults on gay men when they go to public toilets?

[NeilOfSmeg]

Unisex toilets would add a level of protection to any individual who doesn't quite conform to gender norms, transvestites, behaviour perceived to belong to another gender etc

I also can't see the issue some people have with it. My local leisure centre has unisex changing and has had since it was renovated in the early 2000s. No issues or complaints.

I like to think I'm empathy driven. I can imagine a non binary person having to either use a single sex bathroom where they'll get treated as a pervert, or a single sex bathroom they risk being chased out of (actually whichever way they choose they could have these things happen).

Some years ago we visited the leisure centre in the next town. We were confused to see the changing room was completely different, as apparently were two teenage lads who were naked when some females entered.....The centre has since been demolished and replaced, and separate facilities provided.

[cochineal]

Unisex toilets would add a level of protection to any individual who doesn't quite conform to gender norms, transvestites, behaviour perceived to belong to another gender etc

I also can't see the issue some people have with it. My local leisure centre has unisex changing and has had since it was renovated in the early 2000s. No issues or complaints.

I like to think I'm empathy driven. I can imagine a non binary person having to either use a single sex bathroom where they'll get treated as a pervert, or a single sex bathroom they risk being chased out of (actually whichever way they choose they could have these things happen).

Some years ago we visited the leisure centre in the next town. We were confused to see the changing room was completely different, as apparently were two teenage lads who were naked when some females entered.....The centre has since been demolished and replaced, and separate facilities provided.

This sounds unlikely in many ways.
1) Cubicles are always present in unisex changing rooms because...
2) How do you not notice before walking in how a changing space is delegated? The same mistake could've easily seen the two illiterate and unlikely lads wondering into a single sex space. 

Where do the trans users in this community go now?

It also solves a lot of family problems especially for single parents etc.

It's a shame for that community that they've gone backwards.

[ladsnet]

Yeah.. sounds odd that.

I'm not a regular swimmer but my mum is and she said most of the pools around here have now got unisex changing rooms.

[Dominus]

When my workplace refurbished the main buildings, the subject of whether or not all toilets should be unisex came up. One of the younger workers asked me if I would support them in pushing for every toilet to be unisex on the basis that it removed a problem for some trans people who may have some issues around the use of toilets in a gendered environment. This was a while ago, and I can't remember the precise reasoning. It was opposed by women, whose arguments against it could be summarised as "Men are icky".

We ended up with a mix of men's, women's, and wheelchair accessible toilets that are unisex. Interestingly, the only difference between the men's and women's is that the women's has one of those containers for sanitary products (as does the unisex). At some point I might make a few comments about having all of them unisex to see what happens.

[Parsifal]

No urinals?
Are the men's toilets single-seaters or multi-seaters?
Women have a point.  Not all men lift the seat when the pee.