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Queer As Folk
tv reboot
#21
All in the Family.
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#22
Which QAF are the sex scenes like?
The original British version or the US version?
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#23
If the show is a bit on the preachy side, best to avoid.

From what Bangle1 has said, this version of QAF is in your face with how diverse this world is and that we are shoving this in your face.

If you have explain the joke, it's not a good joke.
Showing how diverse the world is, can be done well if the storytelling is done well.
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#24
I disagree with Bangle1's take.  I really enjoyed this version and I LOVED the original.  I thought all the characters were well fleshed out and really likeable.  Juliette Lewis and Kim Catrall are also fab in it.

And what's all this shit about trans stuff being in your face?  There is a T in LGBTQIA+.  There is 1 trans character, a few they/them, why do some gays find that so offensive?  It's like the good old days when gay people would deny that bisexuals were a thing.

Nothing worse than a marginalised group marginalising their own IMO.
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#25
(14-06-2022, 09:46 PM)MintyRox Wrote: Some pretty hot sex scenes in the early eps too - I may post some screens if anyone is interested. Smile

Any full frontals? Big Grin
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#26
(15-06-2022, 02:14 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(14-06-2022, 09:46 PM)MintyRox Wrote: Some pretty hot sex scenes in the early eps too - I may post some screens if anyone is interested. Smile

Any full frontals? Big Grin

A few frontals, yeah.  Lot's of arse Big Grin

(15-06-2022, 12:28 PM)Hugh Wrote: Which QAF are the sex scenes like?
The original British version or the US version?

It's more of a continuation of the UK version, set in today's New Orleans with new characters, so the story doesn't mirror the original like the first remake did to begin with.

The sex scenes are there own thing, very steamy though.
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#27
I've merged two QAF threads, so the replies are a bit all over the place.
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#28
(14-06-2022, 08:49 PM)EthanE Wrote: Tell me one U.S. remake of British TV that is better than the original. I can't think of any.

I watched the first episode and couldn't go on. The characters are not likeable and I totally agreed with @Bangle1 that it is merely a diversity tick box exercise. Heartstopper did a much better job doing that without throwing that in your face.


I loved Heartstopper and really hope they do another one.

(15-06-2022, 01:57 PM)MintyRox Wrote: I disagree with Bangle1's take.  I really enjoyed this version and I LOVED the original.  I thought all the characters were well fleshed out and really likeable.  Juliette Lewis and Kim Catrall are also fab in it.

And what's all this shit about trans stuff being in your face?  There is a T in LGBTQIA+.  There is 1 trans character, a few they/them, why do some gays find that so offensive?  It's like the good old days when gay people would deny that bisexuals were a thing.

Nothing worse than a marginalised group marginalising their own IMO.

I'll be very clear, I have zero problem with representation. I do have a problem with woke nonsense being forced down your throat, just for the sake of it. There is a way of doing it and I don't believe Queer As Folk succeeded.

I agree with you, Kim Catrall and Juliette Lewis were great. The greatness ended there for me. You may have found the main characters enjoyable, but I thought they were self-obsessed, one dimensional and unlikable. Stuart in the original was a self-obsessed nob, but he was still likeable and balanced out by the surrounding characters, again something this sub-par remake has failed to achieve.

It's okay for you to like something and for me to dislike it, but there's no need for you to make out that I am some bigot, for my opinion.
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#29
I didn't call you anything, don't get so precious because someone doesn't agree with you that something is woke. I agree, you are welcome to dislike whatever you wish, but...

"I do have a problem with woke nonsense being forced down your throat, just for the sake of it"

This is the sort of thing straights were saying about anything with gay white men in it back in the 80s and 90s, you sound ridiculous.

ETA: I think it was in fact another member who was ranting about trans issues and not you Bangle1, but I still stand by my belief that saying something is woke just because it represents various people is still cray cray.

I thought the characters were diverse and varied:
  • Brodie - mixed race CIS gay man.  Spoiled narcissistic brat who evolves through the season.
  • Julian - Brodie's CIS gay brother with cerebral palsy.  Adorable, hilarious and deep and interesting character.
  • Ruthie - trans woman, complex and has issues but is kind and also grows throughout the season.  There was no lesson on pronouns or preachy content btw - they merely bleeped her dead name when it was said, which I thought was very cleverly done.
  • Cher - Ruthie's non-binary husband.  Secondary character to Ruthie, but still well developed through the season.
  • Mingus - non-binary gay man.  They went through a ton of growth and drama during the first 8 episodes.
  • There is also a drag queen and some straights and questioning in the show.

I don't see how an LGBTQIA+ show in 2022 would be considered woke for including the above array of characters.
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(15-06-2022, 05:55 PM)MintyRox Wrote: I didn't call you anything, don't get so precious because someone doesn't agree with you that something is woke.  I agree, you are welcome to dislike whatever you wish, but...

"I do have a problem with woke nonsense being forced down your throat, just for the sake of it"

This is the sort of thing straights were saying about anything with gay white men in it back in the 80s and 90s, you sound ridiculous.

ETA: I think it was in fact another member who was ranting about trans issues and not you Bangle1, but I still stand by my belief that saying something is woke just because it represents various people is still cray cray.

I thought the characters were diverse and varied:
  • Brodie - mixed race CIS gay man.  Spoiled narcissistic brat who evolves through the season.
  • Julian - Brodie's CIS gay brother with cerebral palsy.  Adorable, hilarious and deep and interesting character.
  • Ruthie - trans woman, complex and has issues but is kind and also grows throughout the season.  There was no lesson on pronouns or preachy content btw - they merely bleeped her dead name when it was said, which I thought was very cleverly done.
  • Cher - Ruthie's non-binary husband.  Secondary character to Ruthie, but still well developed through the season.
  • Mingus - non-binary gay man.  They went through a ton of growth and drama during the first 8 episodes.
  • There is also a drag queen and some straights and questioning in the show.

I don't see how an LGBTQIA+ show in 2022 would be considered woke for including the above array of characters.

Again, you're taking my comments and trying to fit them to present a bigoted view, equating them with the views of straights against gays, 30 years ago. You don't get why I (and I'm not alone) disliked it and that's okay. You are clearly the target demographic, I am not.

I viewed it as a poor reproduction, preachy, with poorly formed characters. For the record I LOVED 'Pose', which was diverse, because it told a decent story and made me care about each and every character. QAF did not.
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#31
@Bangle1 I accept you didn't like it, I did - that's where we differ. I apologise, I didn't mean to focus my comments at you specifically and I don't think, based on your comments, that you are bigoted.

You were the only other person in the thread to offer a review of the actual show and your opinion differed from my experience and someone else earlier was ranting about trans shit (the usual guy) and the word 'woke' triggers me a little. My bad there.

Now Pose? AWESOME, loved it! Also, It's a Sin - killed it. Heartstopper, Love Victor, I personally love them all. And it's not because I'm specifically the demographic per se (I'm edging on 50) but I remember those darker days of the 80s and 90s with clarity and I fully appreciate the plethora of wonderful inclusionary stuff we are getting these days. So perhaps in a way I am biased lol.
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#32
With QAF remakes, a bit piss poor to the original.
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#33
(13-04-2021, 11:08 PM)jumbler Wrote: Hmmmmm.
(13-04-2021, 09:04 PM)jdcyl Wrote:
(13-04-2021, 08:47 PM)chabang Wrote: Is there even a place for the show now? At the time of original broadcast it was pushing boundaries and asking questions that reflected political discourse of the time. Now we’re in a world where high schoolers are openly LGBTQ and all the taboos the show burst open are incredibly mainstream. What boundaries does the show (and it’s core story arc) have to push against now?
From what we’ve seen of revivals of titles, productions aren’t compelled to stick faithfully to previous versions.  For the reasons you’ve pointed out, it makes more sense for the new production’s storylines to deal with issues more relevant to its audience’s LGBTQ experience now.  It’s probably just the value in a recognized title with established ‘good will’ that’s in play here.  It guarantees more viewers will give it a try, than if it were unknown, and it just costs payment to the current owner of the intellectual property.
In other words, it will focus on trans, trans and trans issues. Not gay, not bi, not asexual or whatever. But trans.

Without wishing to descend into a rant, it should still be acknowledged that LGB people are still subjected to violence and prejudice in some areas (though I personally feel that self-filtering and censorship, and not wishing to attract attention to oneself also hold people back from expressing their sexuality).

Being bi is probably the biggest hurdle still to be overcome. Yes, bi people won’t face (a lot of) overt prejudice and discrimination, but there is still quite a limited acceptance that people can be attracted to men and women, it isn’t “being greedy” or unfaithful, or “a phase”.

If gay people can be accepted, welcomed, and valued as members of the community, then so should bi people. I genuinely can’t think of many openly bi people who are accepted for who they are. Most likely they’re pigeonholed as straight but dabbling, or gay and fluid.

So bi people need more visibility but trans people are what?  Come on Jumbler, how is it OK that you have decided to reduce LGBTQIA+ to just LGB? You are an enigma wrapped in a paradox and shrouded in a conundrum!
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(15-06-2022, 11:21 PM)MintyRox Wrote: ... and the word 'woke' triggers me a little. 

Me too.
Seems unnecessary to use it as a slur against representation. Woke doesn't mean shit or representation done badly. It just means that representation is happening.
Trying to let it wash over me though.

When and where can I watch this in the UK?
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(15-06-2022, 11:21 PM)MintyRox Wrote: @Bangle1 I accept you didn't like it, I did - that's where we differ.  I apologise, I didn't mean to focus my comments at you specifically and I don't think, based on your comments, that you are bigoted. 

You were the only other person in the thread to offer a review of the actual show and your opinion differed from my experience and someone else earlier was ranting about trans shit (the usual guy) and the word 'woke' triggers me a little. My bad there.

Now Pose?  AWESOME, loved it!  Also, It's a Sin - killed it.  Heartstopper, Love Victor, I personally love them all.  And it's not because I'm specifically the demographic per se (I'm edging on 50) but I remember those darker days of the 80s and 90s with clarity and I fully appreciate the plethora of wonderful inclusionary stuff we are getting these days. So perhaps in a way I am biased lol.

No worries, I was likely being oversensitive anyway.

I loved every title mentioned in your last paragraph, too. The diversity was organic and each had a compelling story to tell.
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(16-06-2022, 07:07 AM)cochineal Wrote:
(15-06-2022, 11:21 PM)MintyRox Wrote: ... and the word 'woke' triggers me a little. 
When and where can I watch this in the UK?

On Wikipedia and PinkNews, the series is going to be shown on July 1st.
A streaming service called Starzplay.
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