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Vaccine Passports
Yay or Nay ?
#1
Seems like a no-brainer to me.

All the 'downsides' seem to be from people who don't want the vaccine or think it's "not the British way" whatever that means.


The only genuine downside I can see is that Boris will give the contract to one of his mates who will fuck it up bigstyle and it won't actually work.
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#2
No problem if it allows us to get nearer back to our old lives
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#3
Oh my god my country is shitting itself over this.
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#4
Just make them blue and all the gammon will be trampling each other to get one,
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#5
The Governor of Texas just signed a law making it illegal to have to have a vaccine passport within the state. He's using the stupid reasoning of "medical privacy".
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#6
I hope we get it in New York.
(I plan to avoid Texas anyway, and Florida and Georgia and ...)
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#7
(06-04-2021, 06:17 PM)Ollie2UK Wrote: Just make them blue and all the gammon will be trampling each other to get one,

One might have naively hoped that gay men would dislike terms of prejudiced, mindless abuse.

(06-04-2021, 10:44 PM)Jwb52z Wrote: The Governor of Texas just signed a law making it illegal to have to have a vaccine passport within the state.  He's using the stupid reasoning of "medical privacy".

It's his state's economy!

And surely, in the Land of the Free, it's up to each individual to decide.

-- jP --

(06-04-2021, 05:21 PM)ladsnet Wrote: All the 'downsides' seem to be from people who don't want the vaccine or think it's "not the British way" whatever that means.

If people don't want to be vaccinated or want "medical privacy" that's their choice. But their choice shouldn't prevent the opening of pubs, clubs and music venues to those who make a different choice.

The "British way" is keeping the state out of our lives, hence our resistance to ID cards. But we had them during the war. This is a crisis of equivalent magnitude.

This is a very good example of how the British/English approach differs.

Where there's a will there's a row

TO UNDERSTAND one of the gulfs separating the Anglo-Saxon world from continental Europe, consider Warren Buffett's children. Omaha's sage investor long ago said he would leave most of his fortune to charity, with more modest sums to his offspring. For Mr Buffett, leaving vast wealth to his children would be “anti-social” in a society that “aspires to be a meritocracy.”

In 26 out of 27 European Union countries, Mr Buffett's plans would not just be shocking, but illegal. The exception is Britain, or rather England and Wales



(06-04-2021, 05:42 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Oh my god my country is shitting itself over this.

Further detail would welcome.
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#8
The problem is we are no longer talking about physical ID cards. It will be an app on a smartphone and, whilst phones are fairly ubiquitous, there is an inherent discrimination against anyone that does not have one, or cannot afford to pay for the upkeep of one. This will stop them engaging in certain sectors of society which is wrong. 

I think we just need to accept there is now a general risk to doing "normal" things. Vaccinations and testing will make society slighter safer, but we can't go back to a totally risk free time. I won't be taking the risk of eating in a restaurant anytime soon, passports or no passports, but others will. That's what society should be for a while, people weighing up their individual risk, not proving they aren't sick.
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#9
If people don't want to have them then that's absolutely fine but don't expect to go to the pub, see a film at the cinema or travel abroad again.
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#10
Precisely.

It's not your 'human right' to go in a pub, a cinema, a football match or on a plane.

If you don't want to be vaccinated, and help eradicate this killer virus, then there should be consequences.
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#11
I'm undecided on these, could they eventually be migrated over to an ID card?
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#12
In 1905 the US Supreme Court ruled that states could require residents to be vaccinated against smallpox or pay a fine.  Whether that ruling will hold for Covid-19 remains to be seen, though in a society so divided, politicians are already girding for a fight.

My personal view is that getting vaccinated is not just about ME and my individual rights. (Don't be so small.)  Rather, everyone has a responsibility to protect others in the community as well.

In one photo of protesters one person was carrying a sign that said:
MY BODY
MY CHOICE
NO TO MANDATORY MASKS!

That's just WRONG. Shakes
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(07-04-2021, 12:37 PM)romeolover Wrote: I'm undecided on these, could they eventually be migrated over to an ID card?

why would that be a bad thing?

I've heard a lot of people say that they are concerned that they are a stepping stone to ID cards.... but i'm not clear on what's wrong with an ID Card.
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#14
Thats another 'British' thing isn't it? Being anti-ID cards.

I think most European countries have ID cards. They can even use them instead of passports for inter-EU travel.
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#15
Vaccine passports are just a moronic yawn inspiring way of insuring the young take the vaccine nothing more nothing less. This isn't Sherlock worthy.
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#16
There is ZERO solid data about whether people vaccinated can still act as carriers for the virus (and there are plenty of virus that people can transport without showing symptoms) so sure- everyone with a vaccine passport gets together and these vaccine resistant/asymptomatic variations get to join the party (which will be much easier because the passport means you’re safe so people will take less precautions) then those same people go hang out with non-vaccinated people (because they’ve been ultra safe and couldn’t possibly have it) and infect them with virus that’s learned how to exist in a world where vaccines exist without being wiped out.

Now roll in to this the practicalities of implementing it- how many extra staff will every single venue have to employ to /properly/ implement and control checking of vaccine passports?

Now add in to that... this is a database and an app to be implemented- government is historically crap at successfully implementing those sorts of systems. THIS government have demonstrated they like to give their mates billions of pounds of contracts to sub contract these sorts of apps/databases which are even less effective / secure / reliable than even the worst government run database system.

So explain to me how you will overcome these problems and convince me that in the real world the idea of a “vaccine passport” is actually deliverable in a safe and practical way that actually works?
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#17
Even if "vaccine passports" have logistical problems, doing nothing just to make the backward idiots happy is not ok.
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#18
Pfizer's vaccine is proven to curb asymptomatic transmission. It hasn't been and can't be fully studied in regards to new variants, but it's certainly better than nothing. I think vaccine passports are an excellent idea. Then the freedom loving morons can suffer the consequences of their choices in a capitalistic society where private enterprises can ban them. They love their own freedom, not so much the freedom of others.
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(07-04-2021, 08:55 PM)chabang Wrote: So explain to me how you will overcome these problems and convince me that in the real world the idea of a “vaccine passport” is actually deliverable in a safe and practical way that actually works?

I believe they're using them very successfully in Israel.
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#20
(07-04-2021, 09:59 PM)Jwb52z Wrote: Even if "vaccine passports" have logistical problems, doing nothing just to make the backward idiots happy is not ok.

Even if? Anyone under 16 including pregnant women won't be getting the vaccine so that's who you're banning from events with this cretinous vaccine passports. And those "backward idiots" will be killed by  what's left of any virus anyway, so as long as you're protected by the vaccine what the actual hell should it matter to you if they're not vaccinated? You get to be smug and those you hate get to die, you should be happy but oh no you need an unworkable certificate to really hammer the point home. International vaccine certificates sounds less only less stupid than domestic certificates but only just.
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