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Sam Smith excluded from gendered categories at 2021 Brit awards
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Interesting
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#42
non binary ? dont get it ur either a man or a woman thats how u were born ?
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(27-01-2022, 11:30 PM)spenni1 Wrote: non binary ? dont get it ur either a man or a woman thats how u were born ?

Plenty of cultures have had third or more genders throughout history. Maybe look up the terminology before you post a shitty take about it. Gender is an obsolete construct and English is finally starting to catch up.
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(28-01-2022, 01:49 AM)Heinrich Wrote:
(27-01-2022, 11:30 PM)spenni1 Wrote: non binary ? dont get it ur either a man or a woman thats how u were born ?

Plenty of cultures have had third or more genders throughout history. Maybe look up the terminology before you post a shitty take about it. Gender is an obsolete construct and English is finally starting to catch up.

Which cultures had 4 genders ?
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(28-01-2022, 11:57 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote:
(28-01-2022, 01:49 AM)Heinrich Wrote:
(27-01-2022, 11:30 PM)spenni1 Wrote: non binary ? dont get it ur either a man or a woman thats how u were born ?

Plenty of cultures have had third or more genders throughout history. Maybe look up the terminology before you post a shitty take about it. Gender is an obsolete construct and English is finally starting to catch up.

Which cultures had 4 genders ?

You, too, have Google? Took me 30-ish seconds. There are thousands of results.

https://screenshot-media.com/politics/lg...-cultures/
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(28-01-2022, 03:38 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(28-01-2022, 11:57 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote:
(28-01-2022, 01:49 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Plenty of cultures have had third or more genders throughout history. Maybe look up the terminology before you post a shitty take about it. Gender is an obsolete construct and English is finally starting to catch up.

Which cultures had 4 genders ?

You, too, have Google? Took me 30-ish seconds. There are thousands of results.

https://screenshot-media.com/politics/lg...-cultures/

alot of those are more to do with personality traits and somebody acts rather than gender.
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(28-01-2022, 03:46 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote:
(28-01-2022, 03:38 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(28-01-2022, 11:57 AM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Which cultures had 4 genders ?

You, too, have Google? Took me 30-ish seconds. There are thousands of results.

https://screenshot-media.com/politics/lg...-cultures/

alot of those are more to do with personality traits and somebody acts rather than gender.

Were you expecting to discover another 2 types of genitals? Or a third sex chromosome?
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Well now you're getting into sex vs. gender. Sex is what's between your legs and your chromosomes. Gender is the cultural construct based on what's between your legs. All cultures have different rigidity about the construct and all cultures have loopholes and adaptations when people don't conform to them. Currently in Western culture, a long overdue reckoning is occurring on that construct. Some people feel they're entirely wrong for the gender role ascribed to them by society. Some feel entirely comfortable. Some feel they don't fit either role. Some feel other ways that we haven't developed the language to grasp yet. End of day, how someone identifies has no effect on you or the children or whatever supposedly vulnerable group is used to malign and discriminate against them.
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#49
^^^
Although we don't agree on the subjects of "gender construct" and "nonbinary" (no surprise there I'm sure), but I'll say that what you wrote above is intelligent and clear given your point of view.  Far better than some of your hysterical outbursts.
Bow
Agree that no one should be maligned, abused or disrespected in any way.  It is said that a wise man (woman) sees himself in everyone whom he meets.  Worth reflecting on.
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#50
Im checking out, using a bunch of fancy words doesn’t mean your intelligent. Your either a man or woman. That’s science.
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(28-01-2022, 08:52 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote: Im checking out, using a bunch of fancy words doesn’t mean your intelligent. Your either a man or woman. That’s science.

It's not science and, even if you're just focused on sex (rather than the social construct of gender), it isn't accurate.
Intersex people are individuals born with any of several sex characteristics including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that, according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies".

That was incredibly well expressed Heinrich. 

It's such a massive subject with so many aspects because so many assumptions are made when we reference gender.
On just one aspect I was thinking about how if you invite a man to dinner and he turned up in a little black dress or full make up because that's what he felt like putting on, we'd all have a reaction. We shouldn't but gender conformity is so engrained that we pretty much all would.  And you know they wouldn't have made it all the way from their place to yours without someone needing to pass comment or worse. Apparently these days you might even get the odd mad eejit screaming about it being scientifically impossible alongside the old fashioned religious nutjobs. They already have a lot of people rattled and all this is even before they've said a word about their gender.
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(28-01-2022, 08:21 PM)Parsifal Wrote: ^^^
Although we don't agree on the subjects of "gender construct" and "nonbinary" (no surprise there I'm sure), but I'll say that what you wrote above is intelligent and clear given your point of view.  Far better than some of your hysterical outbursts.
Bow
Agree that no one should be maligned, abused or disrespected in any way.  It is said that a wise man (woman) sees himself in everyone whom he meets.  Worth reflecting on.

Therapy and meds and aging help. Big Grin

While we don't agree, I know you're not the kind of person who would hound someone for not conforming to whatever beliefs of gender you hold. That's good enough for me.

Ry, I wish you were less angry about things that have no effect on you whatsoever. I wish I were, too. I just really, really do not understand why a chunk of people everywhere choose to get so obsessed about making people conform to their personal beliefs. If nobody's hurting anyone else, it should be left alone.
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(29-01-2022, 04:36 AM)Heinrich Wrote: Therapy and meds and aging help. Big Grin

I've got 2 out of 3. Approve
(don't do meds)
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#54
Is Sam Smith now classed as an "It"
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(30-01-2022, 10:04 AM)Skee Wrote: Is Sam Smith now classed as an "It"

No. A they/them. It's not difficult. We've used the pronoun for over 500 years.
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(30-01-2022, 03:18 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(30-01-2022, 10:04 AM)Skee Wrote: Is Sam Smith now classed as an "It"

No. A they/them. It's not difficult. We've used the pronoun for over 500 years.

yes when talking about other people not ourselves.
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(30-01-2022, 03:18 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(30-01-2022, 10:04 AM)Skee Wrote: Is Sam Smith now classed as an "It"

No. A they/them. It's not difficult. We've used the pronoun for over 500 years.

If you're willing to give credibility to a tradition/usage going back 500 years then surely you won't have a problem with those going back to the 1950s/1960s/1970s.  Yes? Big Grin
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(30-01-2022, 04:10 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(30-01-2022, 03:18 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(30-01-2022, 10:04 AM)Skee Wrote: Is Sam Smith now classed as an "It"

No. A they/them. It's not difficult. We've used the pronoun for over 500 years.

If you're willing to give credibility to a tradition/usage going back 500 years then surely you won't have a problem with those going back to the 1950s/1960s/1970s.  Yes? Big Grin

Depends on if the intent is to dehumanize and demean. Calling someone "it" is just that, and there's no excuse for it.

(30-01-2022, 03:58 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote:
(30-01-2022, 03:18 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(30-01-2022, 10:04 AM)Skee Wrote: Is Sam Smith now classed as an "It"

No. A they/them. It's not difficult. We've used the pronoun for over 500 years.

yes when talking about other people not ourselves.

Or third person singular for persons of indeterminate gender. I'm quoting a doctorate of English on this one.

But it doesn't matter. You want to be a transphobe so logic and history are irrelevant. Only your feelings matter.
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#59
Who’s being a transphobe, nobody mentioned transgender, you can transition between male and female of course, don’t get twisted.
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#60
Non-binary people are an offshoot of trans people.

But being called something you insist you're not sucks, huh?
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