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Sam Smith excluded from gendered categories at 2021 Brit awards
#21
(31-05-2021, 04:29 PM)Tiuri Wrote:
(30-05-2021, 07:04 PM)Seriously Wrote: If someone identifies as gender neutral, do we have any new terms for "Aunt" or "Uncle"?

There are several suggestions to be found online, for instance, auncle, entle or pibling. There's no standard as yet.
See here

The world is going loony.  Loon
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#22
Isn't there a saying of 'If my auntie had a penis she'd be my uncle' ?

Not sure how relevant this is to the discussion in hand.
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#23
(04-05-2021, 12:07 PM)ladsnet Wrote:
(04-05-2021, 10:27 AM)ladsnet Wrote: Is there any other non-binary popsters ?

Maybe thats his game. He'll win every year.

Just thinking this through.
He'd probably still lose
LOL

Demi Lovato will win all the awards and Sam Smith will have to write and sing even more whiney songs about that. 


Wait - Is Richard O’Brien non-binary? I’d vote for them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:N..._musicians
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#24
(31-05-2021, 05:17 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(31-05-2021, 04:29 PM)Tiuri Wrote:
(30-05-2021, 07:04 PM)Seriously Wrote: If someone identifies as gender neutral, do we have any new terms for "Aunt" or "Uncle"?

There are several suggestions to be found online, for instance, auncle, entle or pibling. There's no standard as yet.
See here

The world is going loony.  Loon

Some languages have never had gendered pronouns and they get along just fine. Then there's German, which has three AND a fourth formal neutral which non-binary people use on Grindr.

India has had a third gender for thousands of years. It's not hard if you're not feverishly devoted to a binary.
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#25
(31-05-2021, 06:13 PM)Heinrich Wrote:
(31-05-2021, 05:17 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(31-05-2021, 04:29 PM)Tiuri Wrote: There are several suggestions to be found online, for instance, auncle, entle or pibling. There's no standard as yet.
See here

The world is going loony.  Loon

Some languages have never had gendered pronouns and they get along just fine. Then there's German, which has three AND a fourth formal neutral which non-binary people use on Grindr.

India has had a third gender for thousands of years. It's not hard if you're not feverishly devoted to a binary.

English has three genders too:  he/she/it (although the latter doesn't sit well) just like German: er/sie/es.
French has two.
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#26
It is not a gender in grammar. it's called a "neuter". Smile Please excuse the way I am going to phrase this next sentence as I cannot really find words to express what I want to say in a completely desired manner in relation to non-binary people. Since non-binary people are now a...known reality in the common society at large, they're not going away. Language and society must evolve and change together to account for this in speech and action. There are a lot of things other than gender that English doesn't really have words for other than relatively new slang because they weren't concepts in Western Caucasian society quite as much. Although, Eastern Caucasian society and a couple of European nations do have words that English doesn't as well and they have no translation directly that doesn't involve a sentence or more of an explanation.
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#27
English is constantly evolving, as any other language is. New words are invented constantly to better describe concepts. It's really not difficult to adapt your speech to accommodate these changes.
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#28
One problem with gender-neutral pronouns and names is that a person's non-binary status will be known only to a small group of close associates.  Everybody else will use the conventional gendered pronouns/names when referring to the person.  So if someone has declared himself/herself as non-binary who is to know except for a few close people who will use those pronouns/names often out of earshot?  I personally know of no such person, but how am I supposed to know? Huh  Plus I find it most confusing when someone uses "they" for "he" or "she".  Sometimes it takes a while to realize that it's one person who is being talked about. Loon

I have more to say, but then I'll get flamed for sure.  LOL
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(31-05-2021, 06:13 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Some languages have never had gendered pronouns and they get along just fine. Then there's German, which has three AND a fourth formal neutral


Don't confuse grammatical genders with real-world genders. The girl (das Mächen) is neuter in German but in real-world terms she is still female. Just like chair (masculine) and bag (feminine) are still things in real-world terms.

In real-world terms, German has Männlich, Weiblich and Divers. The German Divers includes non-binary.
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#30
Why so mean, Tiuri?

Upset Upset Upset
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#31
(01-06-2021, 06:59 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Why so mean, Tiuri?

Upset Upset Upset

It's a good thing I didn't chime in full throttle.  I would have been worse. LOL
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#32
I know. Still tho, learn new pronouns. Just because I'm full of shit sometimes doesn't mean the concept is.
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#33
(31-05-2021, 05:17 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(31-05-2021, 04:29 PM)Tiuri Wrote:
(30-05-2021, 07:04 PM)Seriously Wrote: If someone identifies as gender neutral, do we have any new terms for "Aunt" or "Uncle"?
There are several suggestions to be found online, for instance, auncle, entle or pibling. There's no standard as yet.
See here

The world is going loony.  Loon
Of course it is. I have no time for bullshit like this. Just to be clear, that is a separate issue from people wishing to be known and recognised as non-binary. I have no issue with that at all.

What I do have an issue with is people trashing the English/German/Dutch/French language with misspelt, bullshit pronouns, and misspelt new takes on familial nouns. Spell something properly, accept that not everyone adheres to the non-binary model, even if you do so yourself.

If that non-binary person is the relative in question, ask which traditional variant they feel most comfortable with. For pronouns, stick to third person plural. Formal it may be, but at least it’s neutral and respectful.

To be clearer still, the new (pro)nouns look, and feel like this, and this, and this, and even this.

Really, really bad English. You definitely need masters of the language to develop this, it can’t just be left to idiom and common usage. Unless you want people to look and sound illiterate.
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#34
George Orwell told us this was coming.  Newspeak.
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#35
Agreeing with jumbler on anything should be a red flag, Parsifal.
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#36
(01-06-2021, 11:37 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Agreeing with jumbler on anything should be a red flag, Parsifal.

I was referring to your post #32 and the general discussion in this thread. Tongue
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#37
I'm going into hiding.
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#38
(01-06-2021, 06:59 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Why so mean, Tiuri?

Upset Upset Upset

If you think that's mean, you really don't know me Wink
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