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Vaccine - Side effects
(02-05-2021, 01:00 AM)jumbler Wrote: Correction - you get the English people (with jobs) to pay for it.  Approve

(30 pills for $271.01 comes to mind)
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It is obscene, though. Only 10% of prescriptions are “paid for” (by the patient), all of whom will be English, under pension age, either have a job or are unwilling to fill in the forms for free prescriptions.

Here’s a novel thought. What if everyone had to pay a flat fee - say £2 for the first five items, and nothing after that?? No exemptions for people on benefits??

Not sure if that would work well with older people, might have to leave them as they are.

(02-05-2021, 01:10 AM)Heinrich Wrote: We have the other kind and it costs a lot more per person. I am an incredibly healthy guy who rarely needs to see the doctor and I'd be happy for my taxes to go to those who need healthcare than, say our military and police who already have more money than they know how to use. Hell, what I end up paying for my insurance is probably more than I've ever used.
Indeed. But in your country, you will never have to worry about waiting to have an operation, or how long it takes. It just happens.

Over here, it can take many months. Thanks to the way our health services have been hijacked the past year or so, it will now be years in some cases. Just like it was 30 or 40 years ago.
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If you don't have insurance and even if you have insurance, you can find yourself avoiding operations entirely. Or, you get middle ground operations or painkillers instead of the care you actually need. Many people have deductibles they cannot pay. I've talked to many Canadians and even read about Iceland and nobody waits. You get the care you need. Then, what happens here quite often is people get trapped in jobs because they don't want to lose their healthcare. We are held hostage by private insurance. It has definitely been a factor in staying at my current job. Even at my current job, I had to give up my therapist because my insurance provider changed and they were no longer covered. With insurance, I still paid $45 a visit. Without, it was $250. For one session.

I'm putting off dental work because even though I have good dental insurance, it's still a base sum of $125 per wisdom tooth to be pulled. Without dental insurance it would be $250 a tooth. I have four and fortunately they don't cause me pain unless I have sinus inflammation, which means I can't chew on one side. Two of mine are impacted so it will be more. I'd also like to have my teeth straightened but I have no idea how much that will be.

I'd be fine with a bit of a wait if it meant I'd definitely have access to the care. As with the vaccine.
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We are probably much closer to you on dental cover. Free NHS dentistry is a myth (again, if you have a job, you have to pay - and if it’s major, wait for treatment too).

So you have to either take out a plan, or find a practice that charges you per treatment, similar to the NHS.
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Quote:Hell, what I end up paying for my insurance is probably more than I've ever used.

Isn't that the point of private insurance?
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Yes, but mine is even subsidized by my work. I pay about $130 a month for a $1500 deductible and $45 copays. Plus a little more for dental. No help on medication. I take a small dose of generic Zoloft and it's $30 for a 90-day supply.
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(02-05-2021, 01:00 AM)jumbler Wrote:
(02-05-2021, 12:49 AM)Barry Wrote:
(30-04-2021, 12:09 PM)ladsnet Wrote: You need an evil socialist healthcare system so the government pays 95% of the price of your meds Smile
Or better still a government that’s doesn’t charge you at all for your prescriptions.
Correction - you get the English people (with jobs) to pay for it.  Approve

I’m pretty sure the UK runs in a deficit and has done for quite a while now, so no, you don’t even cover the cost of your own spending. England could easily easily abolish such charges it’s not my fault your fellow countrymen has a habit elect cunts who blow 40 billion on their chums.

Btw we are also looking likely to abolish dental charges soon.
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(02-05-2021, 03:46 AM)jumbler Wrote:
Indeed. But in your country, you will never have to worry about waiting to have an operation, or how long it takes. It just happens.

Yes and no.

The quality of healthcare in the U.S. is highly variable by geography and economic class.  I'm lucky to live in NYC which provides probably the best healthcare in the world "IF" you have good insurance (which will be expensive) or are very rich.

With my current blood clot situation, when I realized that something was very wrong and not some transient ailment I called my doctor and got an appointment with him at 4pm that same day.  He did the examination, had 8 or 10 vials of blood taken and scheduled an ultrasound appointment for the next day.  Once I had a diagnosis I called the hematologist who offered an appointment 3-4 weeks out.  I saw him on Thursday, he spent a lot of time with me and ordered another 8 vials of blood taken.  We'll see what comes next.

However, this level of care is not uniform in the country.  Some people have to travel 50 or 100 miles to get to a hospital and even then quality is not uniform.  At the bottom end care can be pretty poor.

My care won't cost me a penny (good insurance, no co-pays or deductibles), but billing statements will be sent to me and I'm expecting to see the bills to my insurance go through the roof.  Another feature of American healthcare is that insurance companies negotiate lower prices with doctors, clinics and hospitals.  If you don't have insurance then you pay sticker price (which is way more), the main cause of personal bankruptcies in the U.S.

Some years ago I needed knee surgery.  Similarly, appointments with the surgeon and MRI went fast and once there was a diagnosis the surgery was scheduled two weeks out.

We have the best here, but it's not available to everyone.

I have no dental or drug insurance so I pay cash ($$$).
Getting an appointment with your dentist can be fast; next day if it's an emergency. You have a personal relationship with your dentist (unless you go to one of those dental "groups" or whatever they're called) so even if his schedule is full the next day he'll squeeze you in if he can.
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Yeah, that is a major contention - do you have, or not have insurance.

Over here, it’s like everyone’s insured, but the government/NHS are making the decision whether or not to have the operation (rather than just you, the patient).

I’m starting to think something like the Australian system would be better. Primary care is covered. And with secondary care, you only have to pay around 15%. That’s through their Medicare.
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Almost anything that every other first world nation does would be better than what America does now! I am kept from being able to legally have an income because I am disabled from birth and need the only mediocre help the government offers the disabled and the elderly. To maintain eligibility, I have to be permanently destitute. I would basically be a criminal if I tried to earn money, which I would have to hide somehow. I'm capable of having a job, but I'd never be able to get a job doing anything that would pay me enough money to be able to go without the coverage I have now. Humans don't live that long, unfortunately. I'm tired of not being able to do anything with my life without it having to be a secret, if done at all.
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