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Vaccine - Side effects
#61
(20-04-2021, 05:53 AM)Jwb52z Wrote: The thing about the US system in terms of treatments, medications, and doctors is that if you do have medical issues, it's basically up to you to know about drugs for your condition/problem/issue, especially if you don't have a diagnosis yet.  Your doctor will try to prescribe the most expensive thing, but you can ask for the generic version if there is one.  As was already mentioned in this case, some generics don't exist or they are not allowed to be sold in the US to protect company profits.  Yes, that's a thing in the US in case anyone here still doesn't know that.  You have to know what you're doing for yourself and you can't rely on your doctor automatically to just do the right thing.  For example, if a test isn't covered for something, it's just not done unless there is an emergency reason, like a lot of treatments unfortunately, or your doctor has a reason to think without the test first that something specific is wrong with you.  You can pay out of pocket for anything, but almost no one in the US does that unless they're wealthy.  Fortunately, since we have the internet and the fact that drug companies can make commercials on American TV, we have a much easier time in learning what drugs are for which problem and so forth than it would have been 40 years ago.  It will stay this way for the foreseeable future unless, somehow, "conservatives" in the US somehow stop being elected or all die in one fell swoop somehow.  Of course, I believe nothing that the US really needs will happen unless there are no more "conservatives" in the nation.  I used to put it more nicely than that, but I decided it's not necessary.  You can buy a lot of things over the counter in the US that you can't anywhere else, or at least not in any large amount.  The only time restrictions are put on things like this is if it involves a "morality issue" or an inescapable safety issue.  Drugs that can be used to make Meth, for example, are limited at how many you can buy at one time, but they get around that by going to multiple drug stores.  The safety issue comes in much more rarely as in several decades ago, a certain medication was tampered with and several people died.  The company made a recall of all the pills in question and took a huge loss, resulting in the pills being replaced with caplets and harder to tamper with bottles.  The US literally does almost nothing unless it is forced to do so when something will cost money or effort that the powers that be don't want to spend or expend.  To this day, people still, even after everything, look at me funny when I say I want to leave the US permanently at the earliest chance I ever get, if any.

You currently have a Democrat President in full control of government decision making, just reminding you of that. If Bidenman still hasn't saved you by now then maybe you're right you should move.
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#62
(20-04-2021, 09:01 AM)Morgan11 Wrote: You currently have a Democrat President in full control of government decision making

Nope. Shakes
Biden too is hamstrung by naggers and special interests on both sides.
Not all of his decisions and policies are what he would choose if he could act freely.
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#63
Eh, Dems have had many opportunities. They don't want good healthcare either.
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#64
I have no physical, logistical, or monetary way of leaving the US and surviving long enough to gain foreign citizenship, just to let anyone here know that hasn't already seen me say this before.

(20-04-2021, 09:01 AM)Morgan11 Wrote:
(20-04-2021, 05:53 AM)Jwb52z Wrote: The thing about the US system in terms of treatments, medications, and doctors is that if you do have medical issues, it's basically up to you to know about drugs for your condition/problem/issue, especially if you don't have a diagnosis yet.  Your doctor will try to prescribe the most expensive thing, but you can ask for the generic version if there is one.  As was already mentioned in this case, some generics don't exist or they are not allowed to be sold in the US to protect company profits.  Yes, that's a thing in the US in case anyone here still doesn't know that.  You have to know what you're doing for yourself and you can't rely on your doctor automatically to just do the right thing.  For example, if a test isn't covered for something, it's just not done unless there is an emergency reason, like a lot of treatments unfortunately, or your doctor has a reason to think without the test first that something specific is wrong with you.  You can pay out of pocket for anything, but almost no one in the US does that unless they're wealthy.  Fortunately, since we have the internet and the fact that drug companies can make commercials on American TV, we have a much easier time in learning what drugs are for which problem and so forth than it would have been 40 years ago.  It will stay this way for the foreseeable future unless, somehow, "conservatives" in the US somehow stop being elected or all die in one fell swoop somehow.  Of course, I believe nothing that the US really needs will happen unless there are no more "conservatives" in the nation.  I used to put it more nicely than that, but I decided it's not necessary.  You can buy a lot of things over the counter in the US that you can't anywhere else, or at least not in any large amount.  The only time restrictions are put on things like this is if it involves a "morality issue" or an inescapable safety issue.  Drugs that can be used to make Meth, for example, are limited at how many you can buy at one time, but they get around that by going to multiple drug stores.  The safety issue comes in much more rarely as in several decades ago, a certain medication was tampered with and several people died.  The company made a recall of all the pills in question and took a huge loss, resulting in the pills being replaced with caplets and harder to tamper with bottles.  The US literally does almost nothing unless it is forced to do so when something will cost money or effort that the powers that be don't want to spend or expend.  To this day, people still, even after everything, look at me funny when I say I want to leave the US permanently at the earliest chance I ever get, if any.

You currently have a Democrat President in full control of government decision making, just reminding you of that. If Bidenman still hasn't saved you by now then maybe you're right you should move.

You don't understand how American government works along with the powers of an American President.  He's not a dictator.  He can only do what he's allowed to do under his own powers or through the checks and balances of the judiciary and the two houses of Congress.
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#65
Hey, Parsi! Wellness check! You still alive?
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#66
(22-04-2021, 09:27 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Hey, Parsi! Wellness check! You still alive?

Still kicking.  Thanks for checking in. Hugs
Still swallowing those $9 pills 2x a day which I understand are keeping me alive.
I see the hematologist in one week who will determine the cause.
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#67
Just had my second dose, GP told me other patients have been saying the side effects have not been as bad as the first. So fingers crossed...
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#68
Not sure if this is quite the right thread. Apologies if its not.
Apparently, with more getting vaccinated, lots of casual sex is expected this year for a "hot vax summer". Article here.
Made me think how much more careful I'd have to be when encountering new people. Its still a long way off though, given the age groups being vaccinated, especially if you prefer hooking up with younger partners (or from other countries). 
Still we're getting a lot closer to a time when covid and vaccination status is just another everyday thing to consider when meeting new partners. So I hope single guys stay careful and considerate when the time comes. Big Grin
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#69
Just got my second dose. Ready for orgies on May 10th! Big Grin
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#70
My parents in the UK report aches and pains. My father had coronavirus last April and le reported more severe side effects.

I’m in Australia, a general success story about the pandemic but there are 34,000+Australians stranded around the world and our vaccine rollout is a debacle. I’ll be lucky to be vaccinated and able to travel by the end of the year.

I miss my family.
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#71
Just go fuck Troye Sivan. Problem solved.

But seriously, I'm so sorry you're away from family. Hugs from another place far away.
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#72
(27-04-2021, 07:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Just go fuck Troye Sivan. Problem solved.

But seriously, I'm so sorry you're away from family. Hugs from another place far away.

Lol, no thanks.

But thanks. It’s hard.
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#73
(27-04-2021, 07:05 PM)Ligotti Wrote:
(27-04-2021, 07:03 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Just go fuck Troye Sivan. Problem solved.

But seriously, I'm so sorry you're away from family. Hugs from another place far away.

Lol, no thanks.

But thanks. It’s hard.

Sorry to hear this. Tough being separated from your loved ones, at least there’s technology that hopefully can help keep you in touch.
Do take care, be kind to yourself and hugs from me too.
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#74
The CDC said today that they're recommending that people who are fully vaccinated don't have to wear masks as long as they're outside and in small groups. Masks are still recommended for indoors and in large groups outdoors.

Last Friday was two weeks since my second Moderna shot so I guess I can go maskless outside.
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#75
Thats bizarre.

I don't get why anyone would be advised not to wear a mask at this stage of the pandemic. Vaccinated or not.
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#76
(28-04-2021, 09:27 AM)ladsnet Wrote: Thats bizarre.

I don't get why anyone would be advised not to wear a mask at this stage of the pandemic. Vaccinated or not.

My GP told me the exact opposite after getting my second dose. Said I should still social distance ect until the summer.
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#77
That was Fauci's messaging as well. Wtf.
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#78
If that’s their sincere belief, they obviously have very low confidence in the vaccine or it’s effectiveness to cope with new strains. So low, you’d wonder why they’d even recommend it to their patients.

Our health leaders keep expressing doubts, fears and concerns about new strains, and non-effectiveness of vaccines nearly every day. This has to stop.

However, if mask-wearing is seen as desirable or necessary, why isn’t vaccination too?? Why are so many health and care workers refusing it?? Even when they work with some of the most vulnerable patients in society??

Surely when you work with people who are clinically vulnerable or disabled, surely issues like personal choice and voluntary vaccination have to take a back seat??

Health leaders should be focusing on this instead. And bullshit anti-vaxx conspiracy theories, and the people who spread them.
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#79
(20-04-2021, 02:16 AM)JParsifal Wrote:
(19-04-2021, 11:01 PM)jumbler Wrote: $9 tablets. Hmmmmm. It’s always interesting to see that you guys are put in that position by your doctor (i.e. they only recommend one choice). As if it’s take it or leave it.

Do you ever try and advance the conversation along lines of “well, if that’s the first choice, what about the second?? The one that costs $5??”. Surely the insurer has to decide what they’ll pay for too??

My experience with drug prescriptions is meager as I don't take anything (nor OTC, nothing, nada) except for the occasional two-week course of an anti-biotic.  I'm lucky.  This throws me into a situation where I have to learn the ins and outs (I'm getting help from some of my hypochondriac friends).

My doctor prescribed Eliquis ($9/pill), apparently the newest and best of the blood thinners.  He mentioned a second, older one (which is probably a lot cheaper), but mentioned that it requires periodic blood test monitoring and has a higher risk of bleeding (internal, gums, nosebleeds, etc.)  Back in December 2019 the FDA gave permission for a generic version of Eliquis which, of course, would be a lot cheaper.  But Bristol-Myers sued the FDA and got the generic permission revoked (until 2023 I believe).

I know that there are other blood thinners available and have to check them out.  Also, I use a chain pharmacy (CVS) which is across the street from me.  I'm told other, smaller pharmacies may give me the drug cheaper.  I need to research this.

I have very good health insurance for hospitalization, doctor visits, labs, tests, etc.  It even covers emergency care when traveling abroad.  I never bought the drug option because I don't take any.  And even if I did have it there is no guarantee that the plan would cover the expensive Eliquis; it may require a cheaper drug.

An interesting side story is that both drugs that my doctor mentioned (Eliquis and the cheaper one) are from Bristol-Myers Squibb.  Some years ago I did a consulting project for one of the pharmaceutical companies and learned a few side facts.  One is that doctors have an interest in being in the good graces of a pharmaceutical company (perks), thus writing a lot of scripts for their drugs.  There is a database that records all doctor prescriptions and the pharmaceutical companies are not allowed to have that database.  But they do have it (and the doctors probably know that). Wink

When I see the hematologist on April 29 he will determine the cause of the blood clots.  My doc says that I'll be on the drug for 3-6 months unless there is a permanent underlying cause.  In that case I'll be on this shit for life.  But I don't think that will be the case.  (I hope!)

When I realized that I will be on a blood thinner, like a proper card-carrying homo, I was worried about erections. LOL  It turns out there is no problem there. Big Grin

I don't know how much the OTC stuff costs as I don't use any of it, but believe that Heinrich gave an adequate answer to ladsnet's question.

With the coincidence of blood clotting showing up two weeks after vaccination, the choice of blood thinner is a serious matter, because some anticoagulants are specifically contraindicated for vaccine-related blood clotting.  (I think I mentioned ‘HIT’ in a previous post about the clotting associated with AstraZeneca.  ‘HIT’ stands for ‘Heparin-Induced Thrombocytopenia’.  Heparin is a commonly used anticoagulant.  Thrombo(sis) means blood clot blocking vessel, and cytopenia means low platelet count.)

After the haematologist determines the cause of your blood clots, and you are prescribed meds, it’s the pharmacist who is best qualified for discussion about cost-effective alternatives. They learn far more than MDs about drugs, and they keep up to date with info about medications.
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#80
This warrants a wellness check: Parsi? Still kicking?
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