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Vaccine - Side effects
#41
Apparently if you bring and use a stress ball right after getting the shot and for some time after you can avoid soreness.
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#42
I've gotten both Pfizer doses.  Just a sore arm the next day after the first dose.
About two weeks later (after the first dose) my right leg hurts, fatigue and and weak.
Then I notice some swelling.  So my doc sends me for an ultrasound.  Result: 3 blood clots in my leg. Sad  My doc says there are no reports of blood clots with the Pfizer vaccine.  On April 29 I see a hematologist who will determine the cause.  Meanwhile I'm on a blood thinner.
Odd.  I have perfect health, no underlying conditions, no meds, nothing.
Then this which (coincidentally?) coincides with getting the Pfizer vaccine.
The radiologist was in a panic afterward.  My friends want me to check in with them twice a day.  Doc said that I can continue my normal life activities, just no leg exercises at the gym and go easy on the treadmill.  I feel fine.
We'll see.
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#43
Clots can happen to the fittest of fiddles. Even if it was the vaccine, COVID is far more likely to cause them.

Keep us posted. We give each other hell sometimes but I do like having you around. Big Grin
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#44
Thank you Heinrich.
Next step is hanging on until I see the hematologist on April 29.
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#45
You're taking it in good stride. Not that I'm surprised.
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#46
Others are more worried than I am.
The incident at the radiologist was comical.
On the wall in the room was a sign.  It went something like this:

How will I learn my results?
Your results will be sent to your doctor within 24 hours who will then discuss them with you.
We cannot discuss the results directly with the patient.

So when she was finished she left the room.  A couple of minutes later she came back in and said: "I'm calling your doctor!  You have to call him right away!"  (Yikes!)
His office was two blocks away so I went over there and he gave me the news and a prescription for the meds (which are fucking expensive!  $9/pill 2x daily).

The doctor seems nonchalant and I'm not particularly worried.  He just told me to watch out for chest pain or difficulty breathing which would indicate one of the clots going to the lungs.  In that case fast to the ER.
Meanwhile my friends are freaking out.  I have a brother in town who is keeping a close watch too.

My life is proceeding normally (considering the pandemic), just minus the leg exercises.

And I don't even know if it is vaccine related.  Maybe I should have put this in the Hypochondriacs Corner instead? LOL  (Not much going on there lately)
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#47
No, you actually have a diagnosis. Hypochondriacs only think there's something wrong. If your doctor's nonchalant then you should be, too.
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#48
Sorry to hear this, Parsifal. Do take care!
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#49
Take care Parsi!
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#50
Thank you All.
As Heinrich mentioned, just take it in stride one day at a time.
My sense is that all will end well. Big Grin

I just find it coincidental that this struck two weeks after getting my first Pfizer vac.
I'll see what the hematologist says.
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#51
$9 tablets. Hmmmmm. It’s always interesting to see that you guys are put in that position by your doctor (i.e. they only recommend one choice). As if it’s take it or leave it.

Do you ever try and advance the conversation along lines of “well, if that’s the first choice, what about the second?? The one that costs $5??”. Surely the insurer has to decide what they’ll pay for too??
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#52
Slightly off topic - to our colonial pals..

How much is acetaminophen/Tylenol (Paracetamol) or Ibuprofen over there ?? Is it cheap as chips like it is here?

30p (42c) for 16 ?
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#53
There’s apples and pears. I pay more for the harder stuff (400mg) x because it works. The cheap shit works too, but takes longer.
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#54
I think a bottle of 200 ibuprofen is about $10.
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#55
You can’t buy as many as that here over the counter. I bought a box of 96 from Boots, and that cost £10. You might be able to add another one to your online order.

Same with paracetamol. I can remember when they had jars of 96 tablets in Boots. Maximum you can buy now is 2x32 packs.
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#56
(19-04-2021, 11:01 PM)jumbler Wrote: $9 tablets. Hmmmmm. It’s always interesting to see that you guys are put in that position by your doctor (i.e. they only recommend one choice). As if it’s take it or leave it.

Do you ever try and advance the conversation along lines of “well, if that’s the first choice, what about the second?? The one that costs $5??”. Surely the insurer has to decide what they’ll pay for too??

My experience with drug prescriptions is meager as I don't take anything (nor OTC, nothing, nada) except for the occasional two-week course of an anti-biotic.  I'm lucky.  This throws me into a situation where I have to learn the ins and outs (I'm getting help from some of my hypochondriac friends).

My doctor prescribed Eliquis ($9/pill), apparently the newest and best of the blood thinners.  He mentioned a second, older one (which is probably a lot cheaper), but mentioned that it requires periodic blood test monitoring and has a higher risk of bleeding (internal, gums, nosebleeds, etc.)  Back in December 2019 the FDA gave permission for a generic version of Eliquis which, of course, would be a lot cheaper.  But Bristol-Myers sued the FDA and got the generic permission revoked (until 2023 I believe).

I know that there are other blood thinners available and have to check them out.  Also, I use a chain pharmacy (CVS) which is across the street from me.  I'm told other, smaller pharmacies may give me the drug cheaper.  I need to research this.

I have very good health insurance for hospitalization, doctor visits, labs, tests, etc.  It even covers emergency care when traveling abroad.  I never bought the drug option because I don't take any.  And even if I did have it there is no guarantee that the plan would cover the expensive Eliquis; it may require a cheaper drug.

An interesting side story is that both drugs that my doctor mentioned (Eliquis and the cheaper one) are from Bristol-Myers Squibb.  Some years ago I did a consulting project for one of the pharmaceutical companies and learned a few side facts.  One is that doctors have an interest in being in the good graces of a pharmaceutical company (perks), thus writing a lot of scripts for their drugs.  There is a database that records all doctor prescriptions and the pharmaceutical companies are not allowed to have that database.  But they do have it (and the doctors probably know that). Wink

When I see the hematologist on April 29 he will determine the cause of the blood clots.  My doc says that I'll be on the drug for 3-6 months unless there is a permanent underlying cause.  In that case I'll be on this shit for life.  But I don't think that will be the case.  (I hope!)

When I realized that I will be on a blood thinner, like a proper card-carrying homo, I was worried about erections. LOL  It turns out there is no problem there. Big Grin

I don't know how much the OTC stuff costs as I don't use any of it, but believe that Heinrich gave an adequate answer to ladsnet's question.
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#57
Just don't get a paper cut! Big Grin A few Royals could tell you all about that.
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#58
You mean the Spanish royals? (Hemophiliacs)
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#59
They're all the same Royals. I had heard it about the English specifically.
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#60
The thing about the US system in terms of treatments, medications, and doctors is that if you do have medical issues, it's basically up to you to know about drugs for your condition/problem/issue, especially if you don't have a diagnosis yet. Your doctor will try to prescribe the most expensive thing, but you can ask for the generic version if there is one. As was already mentioned in this case, some generics don't exist or they are not allowed to be sold in the US to protect company profits. Yes, that's a thing in the US in case anyone here still doesn't know that. You have to know what you're doing for yourself and you can't rely on your doctor automatically to just do the right thing. For example, if a test isn't covered for something, it's just not done unless there is an emergency reason, like a lot of treatments unfortunately, or your doctor has a reason to think without the test first that something specific is wrong with you. You can pay out of pocket for anything, but almost no one in the US does that unless they're wealthy. Fortunately, since we have the internet and the fact that drug companies can make commercials on American TV, we have a much easier time in learning what drugs are for which problem and so forth than it would have been 40 years ago. It will stay this way for the foreseeable future unless, somehow, "conservatives" in the US somehow stop being elected or all die in one fell swoop somehow. Of course, I believe nothing that the US really needs will happen unless there are no more "conservatives" in the nation. I used to put it more nicely than that, but I decided it's not necessary. You can buy a lot of things over the counter in the US that you can't anywhere else, or at least not in any large amount. The only time restrictions are put on things like this is if it involves a "morality issue" or an inescapable safety issue. Drugs that can be used to make Meth, for example, are limited at how many you can buy at one time, but they get around that by going to multiple drug stores. The safety issue comes in much more rarely as in several decades ago, a certain medication was tampered with and several people died. The company made a recall of all the pills in question and took a huge loss, resulting in the pills being replaced with caplets and harder to tamper with bottles. The US literally does almost nothing unless it is forced to do so when something will cost money or effort that the powers that be don't want to spend or expend. To this day, people still, even after everything, look at me funny when I say I want to leave the US permanently at the earliest chance I ever get, if any.
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