It's OK to be woke

[MintyRox]

Woke has become the catch-all phrase people like to throw around to disregard any modern concept that challenges the status quo.  Climate disaster, transgender equality, racial equality.  As if challenging these issues is somehow bad.  Anyone who dares call-out the naysayers is labelled a snowflake, another equally pejorative term conjured up specifically to make a person sound weak.

Being woke, ie. aware of the problems which face society and conducive to change, should be commended and not vilified.

I'm proud to be woke!

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/18/what-does-woke-mean-britons

When it comes to what constitutes wokeness, the view most commonly associated with the term is supporting the removal of historical statues with links to historical abuses like the slave trade, according to 60% of those who say they know what the term means. Similarly, supporting the Black Lives Matter movement is considered woke by 56% of this group.

Supporting equality for transgender people is woke according to 52% of those who say they understand the term, compared to 43% for supporting equality for gay and lesbian people, 40% for supporting gender equality and 39% for supporting racial equality.

Being left wing is not a sufficient qualification for being considered woke, with just 21% saying so. Similar numbers say the same of those who want to rejoin the EU (19%). Being politically correct is more likely to see a person tarred with the woke brush, at 46%.

Britons who do and don’t consider themselves woke have completely different conceptions of what it is to be woke.

Woke Britons are substantially more likely to consider supporting equality for social groups, supporting the Black Lives Matter movement, and wanting to take stronger action on climate change to be woke.

By contrast, Britons who consider themselves not-woke are more likely than their woke counterparts to think opposing certain people from giving public lectures/appearing on TV, supporting removal of statues linked to the slave trade, and having a negative view of the British Empire to be woke.

[jumbler]

What exactly would a working class person from the rural north, or Midlands have had to do with slavery?? Why should their descendants have to apologise for it now, especially if they’re from the same background??

Why does it matter to trans people so badly they want to access shared spaces?? Does it not occur to them that others feel threatened by their presence just as they claim to be when they are singled out??

It may sound offensive to point this out, but on a purely personal perspective, I do wonder whether trans people own a mirror. They often seem to see something that others do not; they believe they have convincingly achieved a change of gender, and actively present as such to the world. I.e. they believe they can convince other people that they are/have become male/female.

I believe this is at the heart of the matter. If you look more female, and you are presenting (or trying to pass) as male (or more often the other way around), it creates a visual dissonance that others struggle to get over.

I further believe that trans people are basically asexual. They only relate to being male/female on an emotional level, and do not wish to associate with sexual activity. The ones that do are usually ex-males; however, they are the most vocal in demanding access to shared-spaces, or competing in single-sex sport.

When you add all of this up, it’s asking people to question basic gender-social boundaries that have evolved over thousands of years. No wonder people are wary of trans people, and their attempts to ingratiate themselves.

[jdcyl]

What exactly would a working class person from the rural north, or Midlands have had to do with slavery?? Why should their descendants have to apologise for it now, especially if they’re from the same background??

Why does it matter to trans people so badly they want to access shared spaces?? Does it not occur to them that others feel threatened by their presence just as they claim to be when they are singled out??

It may sound offensive to point this out, but on a purely personal perspective, I do wonder whether trans people own a mirror. They often seem to see something that others do not; they believe they have convincingly achieved a change of  gender, and actively present as such to the world. I.e. they believe they can convince other people that they are/have become male/female.

I believe this is at the heart of the matter. If you look more female, and you are presenting (or trying to pass) as male (or more often the other way around), it creates a visual dissonance that others struggle to get over.

I further believe that trans people are basically asexual. They only relate to being male/female on an emotional level, and do not wish to associate with sexual activity. The ones that do are usually ex-males; however, they are the most vocal in demanding access to shared-spaces, or competing in single-sex sport.

When you add all of this up, it’s asking people to question basic gender-social boundaries that have evolved over thousands of years. No wonder people are wary of trans people, and their attempts to ingratiate themselves.

NO ONE cares what you believe, what you think.  NO ONE.

[jumbler]

NO ONE cares what you believe, what you think.  NO ONE.

You obviously did, because you took the time to write about it.

But again, you have to ask, do today’s woke issues actually matter?? If people are socially excluded, there’s usually a recognition of that, and attempts to campaign for the better.

But that affects a broad group of people. Today, it just seems we have to identify the next most-marginalised group, and try and restructure the whole of society to support their needs.

When the numbers involved are very few. And the issues are less clear cut.

[ladsnet]

Sigh..

[NDN1984]

NO ONE cares what you believe, what you think.  NO ONE.

You obviously did, because you took the time to write about it.

But again, you have to ask, do today’s woke issues actually matter?? If people are socially excluded, there’s usually a recognition of that, and attempts to campaign for the better.

But that affects a broad group of people. Today, it just seems we have to identify the next most-marginalised group, and try and restructure the whole of society to support their needs.

When the numbers involved are very few. And the issues are less clear cut.

You have my support Jumbler. You speak sense. Wokeism is ruining the world.

[MintyRox]

You have my support Jumbler. You speak sense. Wokeism is ruining the world.

Is wokeism ruining the world though, really?  Or is that just something cooked up by largely right wing, white cis-het men to cling on to the control and power they took for granted in days gone by?

Much in the same way terms such as 'liberal' or 'political correctness' have been used as a negative slur to up-end the narrative of any form of progressive equality ideology.

Why would anyone wish to be on the same side of this debate as Ron DeSantis, Tucker Carlson or Piers Morgan?

[ladsnet]

[NDN1984]

You have my support Jumbler. You speak sense. Wokeism is ruining the world.

Is wokeism ruining the world though, really?  Or is that just something cooked up by largely right wing, white cis-het men to cling on to the control and power they took for granted in days gone by?

Much in the same way terms such as 'liberal' or 'political correctness' have been used as a negative slur to up-end the narrative of any form of progressive equality ideology.

Why would anyone wish to be on the same side of this debate as Ron DeSantis, Tucker Carlson or Piers Morgan?

Sorry, but I believe what I want to as do you. The problem with the left is, everyone is divided into categories and the issues of race and gender are always the go-to with them. Not every Asian person is left-wing, neither is every black person before accusing whites. It's because of the wokery (as well as antisemtism), I left the Labour Party and stopped being politically active.

Wokery is wrong. I think non-binary is a mental illness and should be made illegal. You can't be both (unless you're intersex). The trans warriors are getting out of hand and it sickens me in some countries someone who identifies as female (and is a biological male) can serve their sentence in a woman's prison! What next with wokery? The left of today do not care about those in need and it's all about identierian politics.

[Kev]

I can't stand the term "woke". It just means that you can hide in your conservative, insular world and not acknowledge people outside that.

[Ollie2UK]

I'm very proud to call myself woke when the alternative appears to involve being a total cunt.

[Parsifal]

Being woke, ie. aware of the problems which face society and conducive to change, should be commended and not vilified.

This.
Those who support opposing injustices in society and other abuses to life on Earth should embrace the term "woke" with pride in much of the same way that the LGBTQ community has embraced the word "queer".

[Parsifal]

The word originated in the Black community and means "awake".
So don't let the ignorants take over the word.

[Hugh]

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[westham1980]

I find it ironic that the far left think that they are the most tolerant members of society. however, when you think about it and everything they say, shows them to be the most intolerant members of our society.

[dan999uk]

I can only conclude that people who use the term "far left" seriously are viewing centre-left opinion from their own extreme point of view.

[RyCamp88]

You can support social issues while also questioning them, that’s the problem these days if your not seen to be all in then you are a problem, some buy into what is deemed to be the cool way of thinking, and that causes issues because those of us who have free will with our minds are looked down upon. If you need to be influenced how to act and think then your opinion doesn’t really matter because it isn’t your opinion it’s the status quo.

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Then when you do question these social issues in a rational logical way you are labelled transphobic or racist or an Anti-Semitic etc which isn’t healthy because you are just shutting down the discussion because you don’t like what they are saying and feel uncomfortable and are unable to have a grown up debate so throw a tantrum and throw out s label you know will cause an issue to the person you are giving it to.

[Kernow]

Hmmm I don’t really know how I feel about all this. I tend to flip flop from both sides but I like this quote.

‘this strange paradox, the liberals are illiberal in their demand for liberality. They are exclusive in their demand for inclusivity. Undiverse in their call for diversity. You can be diverse but not in your opinions, your language and your behaviour and that’s a terrible pity’

[ladsnet]

because those of us who have free will with our minds are looked down upon

Strange how its always right wing views that are 'free will' and 'freedom of speech' whilst left-wing views are always 'extreme' or 'woke'

[jumbler]

“Oceania is at war with Eastasia”…