20.8% of Gen Z identify as LGBTQ+

[RyCamp88]

So you think it’s accurate that 1/5th of the latest generation is trans/non binary (insert other label) ?

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I don’t know why I even bother, I open myself up for disappointment expecting a mature debate here.

[ladsnet]

Sorry I probably missed it as its all a bit wordy... where does it / who does say that ??

The thread is about 20% of the latest generation identifying as LGBTQ+

Did someone say 20% were trans/non-binary ?

[RyCamp88]

That’s why said insert other labels.

[cochineal]

That must be an example of that sparkling tiptop internet debate you want us to have. I love the important work that we've all achieved together on this issue.

You want facts. Fine. Biologically, sex is your sex chromosome pairing xx or xy. That's the immutable science. They will go on to create your primary and secondary sex characteristics. In this definition no one can ever be trans. Trans people can not exist. Condragulations you're a transphobe. You win the Internet have a small serotonin hit and keep up the important job your doing.

But as people keep pointing out, your gender is not ScIEnCe, it's a very deep philosophical discussion incorporating sociology, anthropology, biology, chemistry and highlighting structures set up in our society which only cater to a binary gender system.

But ultimately who really cares. The majority of people can't be arsed with that discussion and are happy enough with the kindergarten cop explanation cause any more than 10 words is too many. Anyone else's gender identity is rarely going to have an impact on your everyday life.

Here's some absolutely unbridled queer, non-binary joy from Rhys Nicholson. Have a laugh, have a wank, let other people take care of themselves it'll do your blood pressure wonders xox

[RyCamp88]

sociology, anthropology, biology, chemistry - Are these not part of science ?

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Again if i as a man woke up tomorrow and said i now identify as a women, does that therefore mean i am accepted as one ?

[cochineal]

You are worthy and you deserve love.

[RyCamp88]

You are worthy and you deserve love.

But am i woman ?

[cochineal]

Are you a woman?

[Parsifal]

A trans person is someone whose gender identity does not conform with their assigned sex from birth.

The one issue that I have with the whole narrative about transsexuals is the prevalent use of the phrase "assigned sex from/at birth".

A person's sex is not "assigned" at birth.  If it's assigned at all then it's assigned in the womb already.  When a baby is born the doctors/nurses look between the baby's legs and say "It's a boy/girl!).  No decisions (i.e. assignations) are made.

In fact, couples often know well before the baby is born what it's sex will be.

Just one of my pet peeves about how words and phrases are twisted or misused to suit an end.  There are others.

Sex is not assigned at birth.
People should stop saying that.

Oh, Parsifal, but it IS assigned.  It's put all over your medical paperwork from the time you are born and with it comes all the usual stereotypically imposed gender roles and preconceived ideas for each gender.  That legal paperwork assigns that sex to you short of you legally changing it later.

The phrase you object to refers to what is written on the birth certificate.         What is on the birth certificate is literally assigned at birth, so your objection about the term’s inaccuracy could not be more wrong.  The sex may be known even when the fetus is still developing in the womb, but of course the birth certificate isn’t issued until live birth.

The birth certificate figures in such discussions, because it is the first official piece of ID that attaches to a person, recognized by the state for legal purposes.

OK, I may need some help with terminology here.  I'm not entirely clear about the difference between sex and gender.  Please set me straight if I have this  wrong, but what I get from the discussion (to put it in its simplest terms) sex is about the body and gender is about what goes on in the mind.  OK so far?  (I did say "simplest terms")

If sex is about the body then sex is "assigned" (if you want to use that word) in the womb (by Mother Nature?).  When it comes time for a hospital administrator to issue the birth certificate, all that person did was follow the dots from what was "assigned"(?) in the womb.  No "decision" (or assignation) was made by any human being at or after birth (all they did was look between the baby's legs and record what they saw).  I'm not objecting to what's written on the birth certificate.

So the correct phrase would be:
"Sex assigned in the womb" (by Mother Nature)

Is that fair?

[cochineal]

A legal status of male or female is assigned based on what you got going on between your legs.
A legal status being assigned is correct terminology. The basis for that assignation is where you'll find the irrelevant nonsense you're looking to waste your life arguing about.
Have a nice day xox

[Parsifal]

Sex and legal status are not one and the same then, so it seems.
Thus my point about "assigning" sex (in the womb or at birth).

"Gender" as I understand it, is a different story to those for whom sex and gender are different (I'm just being inclusive).

[ladsnet]

I've no idea and to be brutal, don't care.
Matters not one jot as to how I feel towards trans people. Its just an argument about words started by the right.

If Mr Smith across the street wants to start calling himself Miss Smith and being a woman.. good luck to him. He/She isn't doing me any harm. Why should I care? I don't get why anyone should care. The only argument I've ever seen is the 'they might be a sex offender' one which always instantly crumbles under cross-examination.
The only and one and only matter I've ever seen raised that I do agree is an issue is professional sport and how to classify trans athletes.

Oh..
And apparently Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual are just labels now.
Wow.

[edu29d]

The only and one and only matter I've ever seen raised that I do agree is an issue is professional sport and how to classify trans athletes.

I agree completely.

Caster Semenya has been judged to be too male for female sports unless she takes hormone restricting drugs. As far as I know, she was born female and has always identified as such.

When it comes to certain sports, gender/sex is irrelevant. Sports such as diving, equestrian, dressage.

Then you have the sports where sex does make a difference purely because their muscles, bones and other parts of the body develop in different ways.

In shot put the male and female world records are close but the men's is still greater. In javelin there is a large difference between men and women.

On a 200m freestyle, there is a consistant 10sec difference to the times.

So is it fair for someone like Phelps to one day say he is now a she and wants to start competing in the women's races?

[cochineal]

7 LGBTQ+ broadcasters are having a minutes silence tomorrow at 11am.

At 11am GMT on Friday 17 February, Gaydio, Pride Radio, Hits Radio Pride, Juice, Gorgeous, Trans Radio and GlitterBeam will all fall silent for one minute. This will be preceded by a package introduced by trans broadcaster Steph Hirst, which will reflect on the violence and discrimination the trans+ community continues to face in the UK.

[MintyRox]

Again if i as a man woke up tomorrow and said i now identify as a women, does that therefore mean i am accepted as one ?

Yes dear, if you wish to identify as a woman, I accept that.

[RyCamp88]

Again if i as a man woke up tomorrow and said i now identify as a women, does that therefore mean i am accepted as one ?

Yes dear, if you wish to identify as a woman, I accept that.

Worlds gone mad, and thanks for proving my point.

[MintyRox]

Again if i as a man woke up tomorrow and said i now identify as a women, does that therefore mean i am accepted as one ?

Yes dear, if you wish to identify as a woman, I accept that.

Worlds gone mad, and thanks for proving my point.

What point do you think you've proved exactly?  Why would it matter to me if you wish to identify as female and I accept you as who you wish to be known as?  

Or are you suggesting that you, in your hypothetic scenario, are in fact a sexual predator and don't actually identify as female and are lying in order to achieve some nefarious ends?  So that proves what?  That you, and you alone, can be shown to be a liar and that therefore (in your feeble brain) all people who identify as a gender different from their birth sex are also liars?

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?  You cry disbelief at our so-called apparent inability to have a mature debate than manufacture these straw man arguments to prove your flimsy point.  Please RyCamp, just accept that you are transphobic and give the grown-ups a break from your incessant nonsense.

[RyCamp88]

Point being that just because somebody says something that we automatically go along with it.

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No again not transphobic, logical, as I said there is procedure to transitioning not just wake up and say it and then go in with youth life and everybody accepts it.

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I posted a trans actor in the old board a few times and unfortunately it was deleted due to transphobic comments, I’ve also marched in nyc for trans rights, but hey if you want to sit behind a keyboard and insult somebody coz they don’t go along with your narrative, knock yourself out.

[jdcyl]

Again if i as a man woke up tomorrow and said i now identify as a women, does that therefore mean i am accepted as one ?

Yes dear, if you wish to identify as a woman, I accept that.

Worlds gone mad, and thanks for proving my point.

Perhaps you have heard of a scenario like the following?

A teenager comes out to his parents: “Mom, Dad... I’m gay.”

Parents: “No, you’re not!  You’re just confused by degenerates on social media, TV, that sick pride parade.  It’s just a phase.  We’ll get you the help you need.  I’ve heard of a clinic overseas.  You’re going...”

Modern society: “You can’t do that you bigots, you homophobes!”

Parents:  “We’re his parents!  We decide how he’s raised!  Has the world gone mad??!”

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Just why is it that in your mind, it’s wrong to trivialise how a gay boy/ man feels about himself, but apparently it’s fine for you to ridicule the transgender when they’re seeking to figure out their identity?  

I know for a fact that not just a few of me and my mates in school and then university took twisting, turning journeys before finally self-defining as gay.  I know men who authentically loved, married, had and raised children with wives, before changing their lives to be gay in later life.  What makes you feel it’s legitimate for you to ridicule when some individual goes through a process to figure themselves out as trans?

[RyCamp88]

Sexuality and gender identity are two different things.