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The Homophobic World Cup 2022
#21
(12-11-2022, 08:41 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(12-11-2022, 01:30 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote: our footballers have long been vocal in support of the lgbt community.

Does that support extend to professional footballers who come out?
(Just asking.  I don't know much about football culture except for what I read here on fmf).

It’s never happened in the prem so there is no answer, but I do remember when that one player from a lower league team came out he was supported.
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#22
https://benderslikebeckham.com/

A message from Joe Lycett to David Beckham.


This is a message to David Beckham. 
I consider you, along with Kim Woodburn and Monty Don, to be a gay icon. You were the first premiership footballer to do shoots with gay magazines like Attitude, to speak openly about your gay fans, and you married a Spice Girl which is the gayest thing a human being can do.

But now it’s 2022 and you’ve signed a reported £10 million deal with Qatar to be their ambassador during the FIFA World Cup. Qatar was voted as the one of the worst places in the world to be gay - homosexuality is illegal, punishable by imprisonment, and if you’re Muslim, possibly even death.

You have always talked about the power of football as a force for good. Which suggests to me you have never seen West Brom. But generally I agree - so with that in mind I’m giving you a choice. If you end your relationship with Qatar I will donate ten grand of my own money (that’s a grand for every million you’re reportedly getting) to charities that support queer people in football. 

However, if you do not I will throw the money into a shredder at midday next Sunday, just before the opening ceremony of the World Cup and stream it right here. Not just the money, but also your status as gay icon will be shredded. 

Also you'll be forcing me to commit what might be a crime. Although even then, I reckon I'll get off more lightly than I would if I got caught whacking off a lad in Doha.

The choice is yours. I look forward to hearing from you. 

Joe Lycett
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#23
With MintyRox's explanation (thank you) I'm now wondering if it might be common that team members know/suspect that a fellow member is gay, but keep it among themselves (or Don't Ask/Don't Tell) to not expose him to the fans.  (That has been common in Hollywood over the years where everyone in the industry knew that so-and-so is gay, but kept it under wraps away from the public and the female worshipers)
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#24
(13-11-2022, 03:16 PM)Parsifal Wrote: With MintyRox's explanation (thank you) I'm now wondering if it might be common that team members know/suspect that a fellow member is gay, but keep it among themselves (or Don't Ask/Don't Tell) to not expose him to the fans.  (That has been common in Hollywood over the years where everyone in the industry knew that so-and-so is gay, but kept it under wraps away from the public and the female worshipers)

You mean like in real life where we don’t out somebody till they say so themselves.
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#25
(13-11-2022, 04:05 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote:
(13-11-2022, 03:16 PM)Parsifal Wrote: With MintyRox's explanation (thank you) I'm now wondering if it might be common that team members know/suspect that a fellow member is gay, but keep it among themselves (or Don't Ask/Don't Tell) to not expose him to the fans.  (That has been common in Hollywood over the years where everyone in the industry knew that so-and-so is gay, but kept it under wraps away from the public and the female worshipers)

You mean like in real life where we don’t out somebody till they say so themselves.

I mean does the rest of the team stay "fraternal" with the known/suspected gay team member.
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#26
(13-11-2022, 04:09 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(13-11-2022, 04:05 PM)RyCamp88 Wrote:
(13-11-2022, 03:16 PM)Parsifal Wrote: With MintyRox's explanation (thank you) I'm now wondering if it might be common that team members know/suspect that a fellow member is gay, but keep it among themselves (or Don't Ask/Don't Tell) to not expose him to the fans.  (That has been common in Hollywood over the years where everyone in the industry knew that so-and-so is gay, but kept it under wraps away from the public and the female worshipers)

You mean like in real life where we don’t out somebody till they say so themselves.

I mean does the rest of the team stay "fraternal" with the known/suspected gay team member.

You mean are they not assholes and treat them definitely just for being gay ?
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#27
(13-11-2022, 03:16 PM)Parsifal Wrote: With MintyRox's explanation (thank you) I'm now wondering if it might be common that team members know/suspect that a fellow member is gay, but keep it among themselves (or Don't Ask/Don't Tell) to not expose him to the fans.  (That has been common in Hollywood over the years where everyone in the industry knew that so-and-so is gay, but kept it under wraps away from the public and the female worshipers)


Funny you should ask as there is such a story in today’s Sun newspaper - Two Premier League teammates are in a relationship and open about being a gay couple . These sort of stories pop up every few months, creates a bit of speculation and then goes quiet.
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#28
Thank you deegee178.  I believe that answers my question.  As I understand it, gay premier league players can often be open and out to their teammates and managers without repercussions.  It's the fan base that they are wary of, as least in today's times, which hopefully will change in time.

That sounds like the first part of Neil Armstrong's famous quote on the Moon:
“That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.”
Hopefully the second part will follow soon.
LOL
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#29
being homophobic is just one of their problems...

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#30
(13-11-2022, 04:48 PM)deegee178 Wrote:
(13-11-2022, 03:16 PM)Parsifal Wrote: With MintyRox's explanation (thank you) I'm now wondering if it might be common that team members know/suspect that a fellow member is gay, but keep it among themselves (or Don't Ask/Don't Tell) to not expose him to the fans.  (That has been common in Hollywood over the years where everyone in the industry knew that so-and-so is gay, but kept it under wraps away from the public and the female worshipers)


Funny you should ask as there is such a story in today’s Sun newspaper - Two Premier League teammates are in a relationship and open about being a gay couple . These sort of stories pop up every few months, creates a bit of speculation and then goes quiet.

This news gives me a smile and a hope for the future of the football institution.  I realise it's The Sun and not the most reliable source, but if true it demonstrates a real move forward for the future of professional football!  

I hope whoever these guys are that they are able to live their lives and continue to be true to themselves whilst also being able to play the sport they love and also love whoever they want at the same time.  I really hope this is true... regardless of who these players are, this could and would be a real sea-change for football and help other young men and boys see that they can still love the game and be their true selves at the same time.
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#31
Interesting indeed.
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#32
Quote:Gay Qataris physically abused then recruited as agents, campaigner says

Gay Qataris have been promised safety from physical torture in exchange for helping the authorities to track down other LGBTQ+ people in the country, a prominent Qatari doctor and gay rights campaigner has told the Guardian.

Dr Nasser Mohamed, who lives in the US but retains contact with hundreds of gay Qataris, said that some secret networks had been compromised after arrests by Qatar’s preventive security department.

“A lot [of gay Qataris] don’t know about each other,” Mohamed said. “And it’s safer that way because when the law enforcement finds one person, they actively try to find their entire network. But some of the people who were captured and physically abused were then recruited as agents.

“Now there are agents in the gay community that were promised safety from physical torture in exchange for working for the preventive security department and helping them find groups of LGBTQ+ people.”
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#33
So now, 2 days before kickoff, they reveal that despite promises they're not going to allow fans to drink alcohol in the stadiums.
Nobody told Budweiser LOL

And it seems that cheering fans outside the footballers hotels are the same bunch of Indian migrant works bussed between venues and given different team shirts and chants to sing at each location.
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#34
(19-11-2022, 01:13 AM)ladsnet Wrote: So now, 2 days before kickoff, they reveal that despite promises they're not going to allow fans to drink alcohol in the stadiums.

Nobody told Budweiser

Are there no contracts?
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#35
Quote:Fans who have travelled to Qatar as part of a controversial paid-for supporters programme have been told by Qatari authorities that their cash has been cut.

The Fan Leader Network is a scheme run by the Supreme Committee for Delivery and Legacy, the Qatari agency responsible for the World Cup. It has recruited supporters from around the globe, offering travel and accommodation and a place at the World Cup opening ceremony in return for enthusiasm and positive social media content. But the Guardian can reveal that a per diem payment for food and drink, upon which some supporters were depending, was cancelled just as fans were packing to travel to the Gulf.

source


So there must be people who expected to have spending money (in addition to getting paid for the trip) and who probably expected to be able to drink will now have no money and no alcohol in the stadiums, DESPITE existing contracts.
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#36
Quote:Are there no contracts?

The prince (I think) basically said there would be no beer unless you are in the millionaire skyboxes. And yes, they reneged on the contract.

FIFA fucked up on this one.
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Quote:In a recent interview with Human Rights Watch (HRW), a Qatari trans woman described being arrested by the country’s Preventive Security Department for “imitating women.” She was kicked in the stomach and beaten in a police car until her nose and lips were bleeding. “I saw many other people detained,” she recalled. “[There were] two Moroccan lesbians, four Filipino gay men, and one Nepalese gay man. I was detained for three weeks without charge, and officers repeatedly sexually harassed me. Part of the release requirement was attending sessions with a psychologist who would ‘make me a man again.’”

The interview was published alongside the stories of five more anonymous victims. Some were beaten until they lost consciousness. Another Qatari trans woman was detained in an underground cell for two months, her head forcibly shaved. All six interviewees had their phones confiscated by Qatari authorities, who scoured their messages for the contact details of other LGBTQ+ people

A CRY FROM THE MARGINALIZED - WHO GETS TO ENJOY QATAR'S WORLD CUP?

At least the World Cup is shining a light on this indescribable vileness!

(19-11-2022, 10:15 AM)Kev Wrote:
Quote:Are there no contracts?

The prince (I think) basically said there would be no beer unless you are in the millionaire skyboxes. And yes, they reneged on the contract.

FIFA fucked up on this one.

So contracts mean nothing? Or FIFA relied on trust?
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#38
They've left it a bit late to move the competition to a different country!
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#39
(19-11-2022, 07:08 AM)Tiuri Wrote: So there must be people who expected to have spending money (in addition to getting paid for the trip) and who probably expected to be able to drink will now have no money and no alcohol in the stadiums, DESPITE existing contracts.

If only they'd had some sort of advance warning about how Qatar treats its migrant workers... Confused

Football deserves this World Cup. Fingers crossed Beckham and the beIN Sports wankers get the same treatment when they roll up.
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#40
There are all sorts of issues regarding sponsorship:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/202...lcohol-ban
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