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Robb Elementary
Shooting
#21
(27-05-2022, 06:49 AM)Heinrich Wrote: All the "legitimate" news is paywalled. Now it's looking like the shooter was not wearing body armor after all. And a lot of papers of record quote the cops and leave it at that. There's an excellent bot that keeps track of how the NYT updates headlines. It can be very eye-opening.

The police in this specific instance are being incredibly murky, even for police. We still have no coherent narrative of events, but every update makes it worse for them.

If you go to wsj.com and click on a front-page article a box will pop up offering a free account to access a limited number of articles (it may be a limited number per month or a limited number total; I don't know).
I believe that nytimes.com offers something similar (I don't know because I'm already a subscriber).

You like Twitter better?  Your go-to source for news?  Rolleyes
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#22
I pay attention to the tweets citing sources such as WSJ and so on. If something seems sensational I visit the website to see what else they say. But established news has a bias, too.
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#23
(27-05-2022, 06:15 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I pay attention to the tweets citing sources such as WSJ and so on. If something seems sensational I visit the website to see what else they say. But established news has a bias, too.

It's easy to be sniffy about social media as news, but if you take a healthily sceptical approach and double-check stuff, it's often more enlightening than the client journalism of the established media outlets. Plus, you'll find all the big players on Twitter in any case.
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#24
The best thing about Twitter is that it's incredibly in-the-moment. You can hear about things before they're reported, and it gives you a much more human perspective. Many locals from the area have shed light on issues that probably wouldn't be picked up by local news. A prosecutor, for instance, says that these cops are specifically untrustworthy and to only trust the narrative if it's fully shown on videotape.
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#25
Social media has far worse credibility problems than the establishment news media.
Don't forget, WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch (Fox News, New York Post and some British scandal sheets).  And as we've learned, watch out when someone gives a loose quote from the WSJ.
Of the daily broadsheets The New York Times is probably the best in the U.S.  The news room (which is pretty straight) is separate from the opinion pages.  The editorials are decidedly left-wing (a bit too left for my taste), columnists are split between liberal and conservative as are guest opinion articles.

As for the current news story (Robb Elementary School) I'm getting the impression that I'm getting better level-headed news reporting from the establishment news media than Heinrich is getting from Twitter.

Unless a nuclear missile is headed toward New York City I really don't need up-to-the-minute instantaneous news reporting.  I'm also trying to have a life here without being glued to the news 24/7.  I'm happy to read about it in the morning or sometimes a look during the day (I watch the stock market).
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#26
Not even a week has gone by.
1 dead, 7 injured in Oklahoma festival shooting.
You get numbed to this after a while.
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#27
(27-05-2022, 06:49 AM)Heinrich Wrote: And a lot of papers of record quote the cops and leave it at that.

That's probably because the cops are the only source of official information. Quoting hearsay would be irresponsible.

It's also partly the age-old problem that the media feel they should say a lot when in fact there's little to say.

(27-05-2022, 06:49 AM)Heinrich Wrote: There's an excellent bot that keeps track of how the NYT updates headlines. It can be very eye-opening.

Have you got a link? It would be fascinating and instructive.

(27-05-2022, 06:49 AM)Heinrich Wrote: The police in this specific instance are being incredibly murky, even for police. We still have no coherent narrative of events, but every update makes it worse for them.

Why "murky"?

I suspect that the police and the local authorities feel pressured to make statements before they've gathered and collated all the reports. So as new reports come in, they have to issue updates.

I've seen it happen here. They seem foolishly reluctant to say "we don't know yet" when that's a fair summary of the situation.

An added problem in the US, is that police departments can be very small.

(27-05-2022, 07:27 PM)Heinrich Wrote: A prosecutor, for instance, says that these cops are specifically untrustworthy

Who's he? How does he know? Is he trustworthy?

What I would like to know is if the attacker fired any shots while the police were waiting outside.
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#28
Nothing will change.
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#29
Quote:Texas police have said the gunman who shot 21 people dead at a school last week entered through a door that was supposed to lock, but somehow did not.

The Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS), which is investigating the shooting response, confirmed a teacher had initially propped open the door.
But a spokesman on Tuesday said the teacher closed the door once the gunman entered the campus.

Public anger has risen as new details of the shooting emerge.


Texas shooting: Uvalde gunman entered door that did not lock
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#30
(31-05-2022, 01:15 PM)anshrana Wrote: Nothing will change.

No. Not while voters keep voting for politicians who think the answer is to arm teachers.

(Arm teachers with what? What are the odds? — handgun v assault rifle?)
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(01-06-2022, 05:15 PM)pinkpunk Wrote:
(31-05-2022, 01:15 PM)anshrana Wrote: Nothing will change.

No. Not while voters keep voting for politicians who think the answer is to arm teachers.

Actually, it's the other way around.  The politicians are responding to voter demand, fearing that they will be voted out of office if they vote for gun restriction legislation.  Even legislation for expanded background checks is DOA.
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(01-06-2022, 09:36 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(01-06-2022, 05:15 PM)pinkpunk Wrote: No. Not while voters keep voting for politicians who think the answer is to arm teachers.

Actually, it's the other way around.  The politicians are responding to voter demand,

Isn't that what I said? It's not the politicians who are the root of the problem, but voters. For a politician, supporting gun control can be politically fatal.

Indeed, NY Rep. Chris Jacobs ends reelection bid after gun control blowback.
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#33
(04-06-2022, 08:30 AM)pinkpunk Wrote:
(01-06-2022, 09:36 PM)Parsifal Wrote:
(01-06-2022, 05:15 PM)pinkpunk Wrote: No. Not while voters keep voting for politicians who think the answer is to arm teachers.

Actually, it's the other way around.  The politicians are responding to voter demand,

Isn't that what I said? It's not the politicians who are the root of the problem, but voters. For a politician, supporting gun control can be politically fatal.

Indeed, NY Rep. Chris Jacobs ends reelection bid after gun control blowback.

Not to nitpick, BUT (I will LOL ) ...
In your first post you're saying that it's the politicians who think the answer is to arm the teachers and thus the voters will vote for them.
In my post I said that it's the voters who think the answer is to arm the teachers and so the politicians will join their bandwagon in order to have a political career.
At the end of the day I think we're in agreement. Hugs
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