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Owen Jones, 36yo writer/journalist
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#61
I at least partially agree.
Labour are in no way guaranteed my vote but I'm socially progressive and believe social democratic policies make for a much fairer and more decent society, so more often than not their ideas resonate with me.

However to write off Labour's considerable accomplishments for the LGB (a lot more work needed for T) community as gaslighting or condescending is ridiculous. These things needed to happen. You can't state you only believe in equality and then dismiss the actual changes to bring it about. That's not gaslighting, those changes are historical fact.

You live in a society where you liking cock is no longer a limitation thanks to actions, listed above, of Labour MPs but you're right that's not the reason you should vote Labour.

You are being gaslighted my friend but it's not by the Labour party and it's not about LGBT rights. Unfortunately I'm neither rich nor retired enough to be able to afford falling for the Tory narrative when I can open my eyes, look around and do some research.
#62
I've hugged him at Manchester Pride!

He's sorta cute, but his politics has for the most part gone down the toilet.

(06-06-2021, 05:57 PM)manmode Wrote:
(06-06-2021, 05:22 PM)pendorran Wrote: I can't stand him but I'd shag him enthusiastically. What's the British term for "grudge fuck" or "hate fuck"? You don't need to elope with the guy.

We call it Fucking the Marxism Out of the Smug.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love it!
#63
(10-06-2021, 11:59 AM)cochineal Wrote: I at least partially agree.
Labour are in no way guaranteed my vote but I'm socially progressive and believe social democratic policies make for a much fairer and more decent society, so more often than not their ideas resonate with me.

However to write off Labour's considerable accomplishments for the LGB (a lot more work needed for T) community as gaslighting or condescending is ridiculous. These things needed to happen. You can't state you only believe in equality and then dismiss the actual changes to bring it about. That's not gaslighting, those changes are historical fact.

You live in a society where you liking cock is no longer a limitation thanks to actions, listed above, of Labour MPs but you're right that's not the reason you should vote Labour.

You are being gaslighted my friend but it's not by the Labour party and it's not about LGBT rights. Unfortunately I'm neither rich nor retired enough to be able to afford falling for the Tory narrative when I can open my eyes, look around and do some research.

That's ok, you consider people patronising you and taking you for an idiot to be a considerable achievement. I prefer to think for myself. You do you, and I'll do me.
#64
(10-06-2021, 05:01 PM)Pete Wrote: That's ok, you consider people patronising you and taking you for an idiot to be a considerable achievement. I prefer to think for myself. You do you, and I'll do me.

I really don't feel I've been patronised. My argument has always been actual achievements made by Labour and how these achievements are how equality was reached.

But that's fine tbh I don't think I've heard an actual counterargument just vague accusations without grounding but I also appreciate where we're discussing and it's an odd fellow who'll be reading all this and manage to maintain any sort of arousal. I honestly salute anyone who is.  So unless something's said that's clearly ridiculous and easily argued against, I will bow out.
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#65
(10-06-2021, 06:03 PM)cochineal Wrote:
(10-06-2021, 05:01 PM)Pete Wrote: That's ok, you consider people patronising you and taking you for an idiot to be a considerable achievement. I prefer to think for myself. You do you, and I'll do me.

I really don't feel I've been patronised. My argument has always been actual achievements made by Labour and how these achievements are how equality was reached.

Your concept of "actual achievements" consists of things like a law explicitly  establishing gay people as second class - civil partnerships, and an attempt to pass off as gay rights an issue that had nothing to do with sexuality - adoption. 
The fact that you don't realise they are taking you for a fool is just a sad irrelevance.
#66
I'm closing this now as its too big and massively off-topic

If you want to post any new pics of pure sex stud muffin Owen.. feel free.
If you want a political debate, I recommend the Gossip forum.

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